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But you're throwing away months of work by Kelduum ... it's the only work he's done.

I understand what mineral compression is, and that it's current use is an unintended side effect. Where we're diverging is a philosophical difference, I guess - your document suggests that once null mining and industry has enough opportunities for miners, it'd have to be removed to give these new miners opportunities. The argument against that is that if mining can actually accomodate the demand for minerals in null, mineral compression (importation, anyway) will cease to exist in any meaningful way all on its own.

If at any point I've given the impression that I think the CSM blindly advocated for its removal, I apologize. I know you haven't, not directly anyway. Your document definitely does consider it as something that can only come after buffs are made. The worry is that even including it on the list at all gives the impression that it's a far bigger issue than it really is (the rest of the issues are huge), it sends the message that mineral compression is a big problem, which could lead to problems if CCP decides to implement your suggestions, but not in the order you present them (let's say they go from easiest to implement to hardest, instead of your order).

If you want an extreme tl;dr (I wish I'd think of these BEFORE rambling on end...), it's that mineral compression isn't a big deal, "fixing" it accomplishes nothing but annoying the hell out of nullsec producers as its borne of necessity rather than desire, and it has no place on a list of major issues.

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Try not to focus on the exact specifics of the percentage numbers, and just think of it more of a representation - the idea that, to your average vet, fixing the game that exists is generally going to be more important than adding new stuff. It's not saying you don't want or won't get new stuff, it's saying that the priority will generally be "make the game I pay for work the way it should" over "give me new things". Think of the Summer of Rage as that sentiment turning into action.

Besides, the overall message is not to get too focused on either side without giving due attention to the other.

A lack of new veteran content is definitely a problem though, look for the CSM to press that point hard at the Summit.

Bear in mind that "new content" needn't necessarily mean "new ships" or "new modules". What we need is new things to do. A good example is bounty-hunting - technically this is already in the game, but in the current system it's basically a place-holder. After Retribution, it will be a viable profession. It will be a New Thing To Do.

Ideally, each expansion would add at least one new thing to do, however minor or niche.

Hopefully. The new wardec system was supposed to make mercenaries a viable profession, but that didn't really pan out. Best to see how bounties actually play out once live, rather than make the mistake of assuming it'll do what it's intended to do.

I think it is hard not to agree with 90% of what is outlined in the document.

And, in line with these general outlines, I think it would be good for the CSM to remind CCP of the smallholdings idea for 0.0 when they have such opportunity. That feature could improve so many things in nullsec.

And again there is no any kind of plan to reanimate lowsec. I know ring mining, POSes would be available for lowsec too, but that doesnt Solve the lowsec problem. What lowsec needs it is a purpose, an identity.

I think CCP sees low sec like a training ground or a road to pass from highsec into null. And i agree to that idea but actual lowsec just doesnt deliver it.

How i see it is that Lowsec should retain 4 kind of player base.

- Militia ( which i think is finally solved and its in a good place),
- Stand alone organized corps ( these corps should ve incentives to go live in lowsec, train and prepare for harsh 0.0 space. They should be able to exercise both of their industry and Military capabilities)
- Lone wolves (trying to Ninja PvE, exploration, fast mining OPS, prolific missions etc.)
- And pirates (Basically if u got the 3 above solved u ll have happy pirates too)

For example i am atm in a lowsec pirate corp and we are atm around militia grounds because its the only active lowsec part for more organized pirate corporations. And guess what, we got almost no ways to gain isk.

So what should be done?

There is need of a rise in reward in lowsec. Those features needs to be doable in small amount of time 1 to tops 2 hours and reward be very high.

Exploring is the way. 6/10 are really good excellent profit time/reward. Only regular visitors from highsec are ppl that do those sites. But there needs to be some more of em. Rise the spawn rate. It will attract ppl from high and null and animate some more low sec PvP. Boost the rewards of 5/10 and 4/10 and make them not to be blitzable. 4/10 to be doable in 20 mins, 5/10 in 30 mins and 6/10 in 40 mins. That is a proper risk/reward ratio. Not too much time to be finished, but still enough time go get probed and caught.

Add 1, 2 and 3/10 to lowsec also and make them a bit more profitable than highsec ones. Those wont boost huge amount of isk to lowsec dwellers cos is not much isk/hour, but will be quite more for the hisghsec inhabitants who could risk their frigates/destroyers/cruisers for some fast income of 20/40/60 of mils per 20/25/30 min of time needed to do them.

lv 1/10 d accept only frigates. Lv 2/10 d accept destroyers and less. lv 3/10 cruisers and less. Remember that the right system d needed to be found, same as the plexe. So its NOT like u d farm 3/10 60mils per 20mins = 180mil but it d be in line btw 50-100 mil per hour if only 1 player clears all. It will be a fast excursion to lowsec, inject some nice ammount of isk and be done for today.

Also lv 4 and 5 missions. Rise the rewards. It should be in line with FW isk/hour.

These changes bring lots of of frigates/destroyers/cruisers from highsec. But also more expensive ships for 4/5/6 of 10. U d see low skill players coming in a group with their frigs, destroyers or cruisers doing those plexes.

What else? Make the gravimetric sites to have all kind of expensive ore but high concetraded. Let say that u d need 5 hulks and an orca full skilled and boosted to empty it in 1 hour. But so they can earn few bills from that asteroid alone. What will happen. There will be some ninja miner ops (who knows maybe rorqs d be used more). Miners could pay to lowsec pirates to protect em or even mercenary groups also. Lot of possibilities rise.

And finally static anomalies. These now in lowsec are useless. Make 2 kind of those anomalies appear in lowsec randomly once a week but in same constellation always and with quite a higher reward. One anomaly d require 5 players minimum to be done cruiser and below and one d require 10 players (BS and below). Would add lots of content, highsec excursions of players or even some wars btw lowsec corps to stay within those anomaly grounds.

2 more things should be considered are Incursions (make them more profitable in lowsec) and make drug production a valuable option in lowsec, it is afterall "Low" security space.

Make some conflict drivers in lowsec not with sov, but with fictional sov. Make constellation around lowsec that have higher radar spawns with higher rewards. Some constellations with awesome belts, gravimetric sites, some with DED complexes. Some with awesome agents that have unique rewards.

These places with static anomalies i mentioned above will drive more organized corporation and pirate corps to fight over them and claim that fictional sov by just chasing the other party away. These changes will attract renters, will add a lot to mercenary market.

These changes with new POSes, ring mining and new agro mechanics that are getting out in December (Finally no 15 mins pause roams) will make lowsec a hit.

HANS please read this and give it a thought. Its everything what lowsec needs.

Having read the document, I think it has covered the 3 key areas that need sorting as a priority.

How they are solved is till up for debate, but I'm sure everyone agree's that these are the area's that need work.

Glad to see more communication between the CSM, CCP and the EVE Community.