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WH POS defense settings

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Gulliver Sigridottir
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-20 19:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Gulliver Sigridottir
I have a corp in w-space and we recently joined an alliance. We intend to train pilots in the alliance how to survive and thrive in w-space.

We also wish for NON alliance corps we are friendly with to partake of this training.

The questions I have are how to setup the POS guns so that they do not shoot our friends, alliance members or not, AND we want them to be able to enter our POS shields and use a ship array for storing their vessels whilst offline.

However, we still want our pos to shoot any pilots neutral or unfriendly to us automatically.

Any constructive advice greatly appreciated

This post is on an alt for obvious security issues. :)
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-20 19:44:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Comy 1
Set your POS to agress people with standing below 0.1

Regarding the POS shield you can set it to allow alliance members entry without any password, but any other friendlies will need it.

The SMA and Corp Hangar both have options to allow alliance members to use them, however as far as I remember people have claimed to have problems making it work properly.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-20 19:45:24 UTC
Set your POS to attack anyone with a standing less than .1 to your corp. Make sure all friends are 'blue'.

Alliancemates and blues will need to know the password in order to enter the POS shields. This means that spies can betray the password to your enemies. Be wary.

AFAIK, a ship maintenance array can only be used by corp members. Fellow alliance members and blues will not be able to access any POS mods.
Gulliver Sigridottir
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-10-20 19:52:48 UTC
So, there is no workaround to allow non alliance members to use our POS as a safe haven without giving them the password?

And sorry for what will seem a noobish question but how do passwords actually work? I have heard stories of people warping to a 'friendly' POS and losing ships?

Do they have to enter the password for each ship? Each pilot? After every session change?

I need this to work without opening up our POS to possible 'inside' attack.

All help so far appreciated.
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-10-20 19:56:42 UTC
Every player needs to enter the password every time they have made a session change, and they must have entered BEFORE they warp to the POS, or they will bounce on the shield.

And not unfortunately there is no workarround for this. What you can do however if any unwanted people enter your forcefield is to change the password. The result however will be that any friendly players will be shot out of the POS together with the hostiles :P

As long as you have the corps standing set towards your friendlies (not alliance standings but the corp that owns the POS needs to have them aswell) and only tick the option to attack targets below 0.1 standings they will be fine.
Gulliver Sigridottir
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-10-20 20:03:22 UTC
Hmmm.

I am loathe to allow a Non Alliance Corp to setup a POS in our home system but it seems as if that will be the only option without using passwords which I am also loathe to do......

What a quandary!
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2011-10-20 20:10:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I've read that a POS will always defend itself from attack regardless of the settings, though I've not yet personally finished testing this (keep meaning to, keep forgetting too). I've half proved this so far though: have in-corp alt launch a GSC and manually shoot at it with POS gunner; the alt that launched it will get a 15 minute aggression timer towards the tower, and the tower will attack them until the timer expires.

Typically the only settings that are used:
* Attack if at war
* Attack if standing is less than 0.1

The low standing setting will attack neutrals and anybody without positive standing.

There is an optional setting:
* Attack if at war
* Attack if standing is less than 0.0
* Attack on aggression

The low standing setting will attack anybody with a negative standing (not neutrals). Aggression will attack anyone with an aggression flag, like neutral logistics, but for this reason it is considered dangerous. I've used these settings successfully though on w-space towers used by out-of-corp members, but the tower will not attack anyone unless they attack first.

Note that standing refers to corp-to-corp standing only. Corp-to-individual standings do not matter.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#8 - 2011-10-21 01:03:15 UTC
Taedrin wrote:

Alliancemates and blues will need to know the password in order to enter the POS shields. This means that spies can betray the password to your enemies. Be wary.


Partially true (depending on access settings on the tower). You can set it so that alliance members do not require a password to enter the shield.

(Blues / etc will need a password to get inside the shields.)
Gulliver Sigridottir
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-21 15:25:43 UTC
Thanks for all the replies, much appreciated although it seems the corp we were going to invite in has decided to make the move to nullsec instead.

I wish them all the luck in blob central. :)
Kuroda Ayumu
Walk the Line
#10 - 2011-10-31 12:49:06 UTC
I wish to add our experiences to this thread rather than open a new one.

It is of the utmost importance that the standing taken into account by your tower is that of your CORP to the friendly CORP. That is stated very nicely in the Evelopedia and not at all in the settings tab on the tower management page.

  • Setting an NPC corp to blue has no effect (they remain neutral)
  • Setting individual players to blue has no effect
  • Setting alliances to blue has no effect


We discovered this after quite a few losses (one dear) and I would like to adress this to CCP:

Put the note from Evelopedia to the tower management page or take other measures to make it clear only corp2corp standings are taken into account
Velicitia
XS Tech
#11 - 2011-10-31 13:02:08 UTC
Kuroda Ayumu wrote:
I wish to add our experiences to this thread rather than open a new one.

It is of the utmost importance that the standing taken into account by your tower is that of your CORP to the friendly CORP. That is stated very nicely in the Evelopedia and not at all in the settings tab on the tower management page.

  • Setting an NPC corp to blue has no effect (they remain neutral)
  • Setting individual players to blue has no effect
  • Setting alliances to blue has no effect


We discovered this after quite a few losses (one dear) and I would like to adress this to CCP:

Put the note from Evelopedia to the tower management page or take other measures to make it clear only corp2corp standings are taken into account


am pretty sure that there is a "use alliance standings" tickbox on the towers if you're in an alliance ... though not sure how well that will end up working ...

CCP FIX POSES!!

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Kuroda Ayumu
Walk the Line
#12 - 2011-10-31 13:26:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuroda Ayumu
Velicitia wrote:

am pretty sure that there is a "use alliance standings" tickbox on the towers if you're in an alliance ... though not sure how well that will end up working ...

CCP FIX POSES!!


Dunno, but as we are not in an ally I would not expect it anyway. Here is the Evelopedia page explaining it:

Evelopedia POS Defense

and here the quote I talk about:

Please note: *When setting standings, only the POS's owner corporation standings towards that of another player corporation are taken into account. Setting standings towards an alliance, individual pilots, NPC factions or NPC corporations are not effective. Entering zero does not equate to a neutral standing. Only by not checking the setting's box and not entering any value is it ensured that this setting is not taken into account should a pilot come into range of any defense structures.

That made it absolutely clear at a glance and I was overwhelmed by the discrepancy of clearness between this post and the text in the management tab.

Btw Velicitia: nice jacket Blink
Kuroda Ayumu
Walk the Line
#13 - 2011-11-02 11:10:18 UTC
I'd like to bump this as I would like to see a Dev see it (as was recommended by the friendly GM in my petition).
Velicitia
XS Tech
#14 - 2011-11-02 11:48:45 UTC
Kuroda Ayumu wrote:
Velicitia wrote:

am pretty sure that there is a "use alliance standings" tickbox on the towers if you're in an alliance ... though not sure how well that will end up working ...

CCP FIX POSES!!


Dunno, but as we are not in an ally I would not expect it anyway. Here is the Evelopedia page explaining it:

Evelopedia POS Defense

and here the quote I talk about:

Please note: *When setting standings, only the POS's owner corporation standings towards that of another player corporation are taken into account. Setting standings towards an alliance, individual pilots, NPC factions or NPC corporations are not effective. Entering zero does not equate to a neutral standing. Only by not checking the setting's box and not entering any value is it ensured that this setting is not taken into account should a pilot come into range of any defense structures.

That made it absolutely clear at a glance and I was overwhelmed by the discrepancy of clearness between this post and the text in the management tab.

Btw Velicitia: nice jacket Blink



Yeah, funny how the tabs are clear as mud, and the evelopedia is (generally) better... still doesn't negate the need for CCP to fix POS (and corp) settings.

As for the jacket ... Cool

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
#15 - 2011-11-04 17:55:07 UTC
Its about time CCP pulled their fingers out made POS management simpler. Thats my two pence worth. Big smile
My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :)
BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
#16 - 2011-12-19 20:22:48 UTC
Bumping this one to see if CCP will deign to reply. PLEASE CCP? Sort out the antiquated and confusing POS settings for ease of use?
My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :)
Velicitia
XS Tech
#17 - 2011-12-19 21:02:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
BobFenner wrote:
Bumping this one to see if CCP will deign to reply. PLEASE CCP? Sort out the antiquated and confusing POS settings for ease of use?


yeah, they're working on it.

The fuel blocks was the first step. Maybe the next few expansions will have more POS (and corp rules) goodies for us.

On the old forums, there's a "dead horse" POS thread that was something like 60 or 70 pages of "please fix the damn things!"

edit -- found the link
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=391410

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Demonfuge Malevolent
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-12-20 15:05:14 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I've read that a POS will always defend itself from attack regardless of the settings, though I've not yet personally finished testing this (keep meaning to, keep forgetting too).


I can confirm POSes fire back if fired upon by a corp member.

Kuroda - very interesting, that is something I did not know. You would assume corp2player and corp2alliance standings would be recognised by the POS