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RIDDLE: What has no weight, 2 faces, a brown nose, 1 big mouth, 1 big head, 18 feet but wont walk?

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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#161 - 2011-10-20 18:44:13 UTC
Protip: Alts are very easy to spot and if you cant with the blind eye you can easily look at posting history. heck it even has the date and topic posted too. so cool!! its funny as you check the CSM supporter history they all start about 5 days ago and usually start with a topic that starts with goonswarm. jus a lil fyi from your friendly neighborhood pastor
Harm Pit
Highwaymen
#162 - 2011-10-20 18:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Harm Pit
Taedrin wrote:
Harm Pit wrote:
ANSWER: The Council of Stellar Management


It is simply not acceptable that in times where sacked CCP Devs are literally sat in their pyjamas crying into their cereal, that the money is available to fly these people to Iceland to ineffectually posture, pad their CVs, get drunk and try to maintain the delusion of grandeur they labour under.

This has even started to become clear to themselves. Only days ago they crowed and gloated over the hilmarrrrgh "apology" blog, fighting amongst themselves to claim the biggest piece of the credit cake. Now, with 120 sackings, they have all developed SSS (sloping shoulder syndrome) as they seek to blame each other and even the players who flocked to their call for protest. Even the Chair of the CSM has let his nihilistic facade slip a little as the guilt hits him as to his role in the sacking of his great drinking buddies at CCP.

A farce from day one, the CSM was launched not in an oversight role as publicised by hillmar, but pre nerfed as a "communication conduit" and soon degenerated into childish squables (Constantine vs that goon guy) and rule breaking (trassler and that ankhatamapeonama bird). The 250 issue backlog of agreed issues that CCP routinley ignored stands evidence as to their innefectuality. Many people spent many many wasted hours trying to push issues through the frameowrk CCP gave us to see it drop out of site.

In times of plenty, where vanity project rap videos and dev bands were de-rigeur at CCP HQ - the CSM was an affordable plaything. But in these times of economic woe it is nothing short of outrageous it still exist.

12 world wide plane tickets, hotel fees, meals, and incidental costs many times a year would have paid the wages of some of the Devs who have been given the boot.


Particulaly considering the reported peenuts many Devs reportedly accept as wages due to their love of the game and company.

CCP are tightening their belts, and now is the perfect time to tighten the metaphorical noose around the CSM. All the clamour for CCP management to resign for failure works with the CSM as well. They have failed. The CSM, in its 6 incarnations, have presided over a near terminal decline in the game. In times of honour, resignation would have been the honourable action in response to abject failure.

It is clear that these "individuals" who inhabit the CSM will not take that route. They need to be sacked. NOW. Hilmar.. get shot of them!





All I see in this post, really, is a bunch of baseless accusations which are nothing more than your personal opinion presented as fact.


Lets start at the top of my post and go down.

* I can provide links to a Dev blog where she refers too being sat in her pjamas and cant stop crying.
* I can provide links to CSM members padding their CVs (and indeed misrepresnting her role at CCP and eventualy being let go due to an NDA breech.)
* I can provide linnks to tales of CSM member drunkennes (from their own blogs and twitter feeds)
* Evidence of their crowing abounds over these forums and others
* The "i dont care im ironic innit" goon facade the Chair let slip in posts when he was angry at devs being sacked
* The oversight role of the CSM as was initial conceived is available to look at on interview with hilmar on mainstream news sites such as the BBC and Wall Street Post
* The change in the role to a communication conduit is evidenced in dev blogs when the CSM finaly came out
* The 250 + issues backlog is clear to see on the CSMs own wiki.
* The hours spent to push these issues is estimable by the process itself : post thread, vote, csm discuss, CCP discuss, drop/keep multiplied by the amount of issue currently aggree and waiting to be actioned.
* The rap video band comment was indicative of the CCP mentality during the good times HTFU
* CCP tightening their belts is evidence by a blog yesterday from CCP manifest detailing 120 sackings
* CCP paying less then industry standards (reffered to me jokingly as peenuts) is evidenced from postings on "ex employee" sites and occasionaly unguarded dev comments.
* Several Devs are rumoured to have been sacked (hammerhead amongst them unconfirmed)
* Resignation did used to be the honourable course of action for politicians who fail (see Liam Fox, UK minister a few days ago)
* The CSM members have show no inclination to resign over many forum threads
* The 90% not voting for the CSM is roughly drawn up from voting figures (about 30k) and average annual subscribers (about 300k)

So basicaly, no, its not all personal opinion and baseless accusations. Aside from some flowery speech and the occasional gag I insert to make the post more entertaining for the reader, Its all backed up through years of following the CSM process.

Incidentaly, I had to restrain myself from mentioning many many more incidents that have cropped up over the years with the CSM in order to keep some sort of brevity to my post.
David Carel
SWAT Team Sales Consultants
#163 - 2011-10-20 19:01:13 UTC
Let's see if I run into CCP's quote limit again. (I did. :argh:)
Harm Pit wrote:

* I can provide links to a Dev blog where she referes to being sat in here pjamas and cant stop crying.

Yea, you do that when you lose your job. You're a really nice guy for using Fallout as an example, sure serves her well.

* I can provide links to CSM members padding their CVs (and indeed misrepresnting her role at CCP and eventualy being let go due to an NDA breech.)

Who wouldn't? It means you achieved something. Also, the ends justify the means.

* I can provide linnks to tales of CSM member drunkennes (from their own blogs and twitter feeds)

Oh god does this even need a comment?

* Evidence of their crowing abounds over these forums and others

Well of course, you aren't some kind of special person when being a CSM member.

* The "i dont care im ironic innit" goon facade the Chair slipped in posts when he was angry at devs being sacked

Uh. Uhhhh. You just broke the Stupidity Event Horizon

* The oversight role of the CSM as was initial conceived is available to look at on interview with hilmar on mainstream news sights such as the BBC and Wall Street Post

Who cares about the past?

* The change in the role to a communication conduit is evidenced in dev blogs when the CSM finaly came out

What? The "new" CSM was always meant as a conduit you idiot.

* The 250 + issues backlog is clear to see on the CSMs own wiki.

CSM != Devs, they have to convince CCP to do stuff. They do that. You are too blind to see.

* The hours spent to push these issues is estimable by the process itself : post thread, vote, csm discuss, CCP discuss, drop/keep multiplied by the amount of issue currently aggree and waiting to be actioned.

But it still results in actions.

* The rap video band comment was indicative of the CCP mentality during the good times HTFU

What's that for an argument?

* CCP tightening their belts is evidence by a blog yesterday from CCP manifest detailing 120 sackings

Of course, a $12m loan term just ended. They had to get more money. Running a company 101.

* CCP paying less then industry standards (reffered to me jokingly as peenuts) is evidenced from postings on "ex employee" sites and occasionaly unguarded dev comments.

So what?

* Several Devs are rumoured to have been sacked (hammerhead amongst them unconfirmed)

Welcome to yesterday's news. I'm glad to see Hammerhead gone to be honest.

* Resignation did used to be the honourable course of action for politicians who fail (see Liam Fox, UK minister a few days ago)
* The CSM members have show no inclination to resign over many forum threads

Uh huh. Yea, right, resign after getting positive results.


So basicaly, no, its not all personal opinion and baseless accusations. Aside from some flowery speech and the occasional gag I insert to make the post more entertaining for the reader, Its all backed up through years of following the CSM process.

Christ it is you stupid abomination of a poster.

Incidentaly, I had to restrain myself from mentioning many many more incidents that have cropped up over the years with the CSM in order to keep some sort of brevity to my post.



You have no idea how to post and how to do a proper debate. Please just shut up and biomass your characters.
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#164 - 2011-10-20 19:13:00 UTC
im not going to explain alts to you eceleb. sorry i didnt get your autograph but spaceship celebs make me nervous good luck in your 1 man circle jerk
David Carel
SWAT Team Sales Consultants
#165 - 2011-10-20 19:13:54 UTC
This thread went places.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#166 - 2011-10-20 19:14:07 UTC
Reverand Pastor wrote:
im not going to explain alts to you eceleb. sorry i didnt get your autograph but spaceship celebs make me nervous good luck in your 1 man circle jerk


so you think that I put an alt into another corporation in my alliance to altpost

you're p. dumb

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#167 - 2011-10-20 19:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
i mean it's blantantly obvious you didn't realize that he was in edit: goonswarm not goonfleet oops! rather than being a newbiecorp alt and now suddenly you don't want to talk about it anymore

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#168 - 2011-10-20 19:15:29 UTC
Reverand Pastor: another unmourned victim of the posting wars

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
David Carel
SWAT Team Sales Consultants
#169 - 2011-10-20 19:15:30 UTC
Reverand Pastor wrote:
im not going to explain alts to you eceleb. sorry i didnt get your autograph but spaceship celebs make me nervous good luck in your 1 man circle jerk


Hey, I'll give you a tip on politics: Wildly Inappropriate is a corporation in Goonswarm that joined 3 months ago. It has 500 members, thus it's not an alt corp. I am a member of it for 2 months or so.
Do the thinking.
Harm Pit
Highwaymen
#170 - 2011-10-20 19:17:59 UTC
David Carel wrote:

You have no idea how to post and how to do a proper debate. Please just shut up and biomass your characters.


Thanks very much for your post but you misunderstood the context. I was accused of writing only personal opinion and baseless accusations in my OP. I posted that list to refute that accusation by refering to every "opinion" in my OP and showing how all my points were easily evidenced and cross referancable.

This I think I did to an impartial readers satisfaction. I could go further and get you specific links to wall street articles, forum posts, twitter feeds, devblogs and the like but I feel my list is enough and I do not wish to spend the next two hours pulling links I know are there.

As an example, I reffered to Drunken CSM members, intending to reinforce the "waste of money" position I have regarding the CSM. You seen to have taken my evidencing this as some sort of Pious disaproval of alchol or something. This is certainly not the case. I do disaprove of the wast of money getting these people flown to Iceland to get pissed up though. And the references to "massive hangovers" at CCP and the obvious detrimental effect these would have on the supposed role the CSM are nominaly supposed to be performing.

Oh RE Fallout it was her situation that angered me as I respected her work (having dealt with her in a game related issue before). I did not intend to be disrespectdul and it was indeed a line taken from her own public blog regarding her situation, not some nasty dig at her.

Character remaining unbiomassed sorry :(
Major Spag
State War Academy
Caldari State
#171 - 2011-10-20 19:22:11 UTC
Confirming we are all Mittani alts.
Major Spag
State War Academy
Caldari State
#172 - 2011-10-20 19:23:11 UTC
Except DurrHurrDurr. **** that guy!
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#173 - 2011-10-20 19:32:40 UTC
This is democracy at it finest, nothing but one big joke...
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#174 - 2011-10-20 19:40:24 UTC
Some of the posters in this thread seriously need to take a chill pill and step away from the keyboard.

Something is seriously wrong when goon posters end up sounding reasonable in comparison to the common standard.

(And hell, I'm not exactly a fan of goons!)

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#175 - 2011-10-20 19:55:00 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!


Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted.

One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences.

Issler
David Carel
SWAT Team Sales Consultants
#176 - 2011-10-20 19:56:00 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!


Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted.

One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences.

Issler


Except it's all stuff that is already on Sisi or will be within a reasonable timeframe.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#177 - 2011-10-20 20:10:47 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!


Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted.

One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences.

Issler


that's your brilliant comeback, that things announced for the winter patch are not on tranq yet

because, you know, the winter patch hasn't been finished

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#178 - 2011-10-20 20:10:50 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!


Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted.

One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences.

Issler


You're welcome to bet against me. It's worked out pretty well for Avon and his lot over the years.

~hi~
Largo Coronet
Perkone
Caldari State
#179 - 2011-10-20 20:14:56 UTC
Jin'an Tonika wrote:
the CSM taking credit for the changes that are coming doesn't mean they made it happen, it's just convenient for them to take credit, just as Obama will make a re-election campaign out of taking down Osama and Gadaffi.
For this section of your post alone, you should seek therapy. And a lobotomy.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#180 - 2011-10-20 20:38:02 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
As I relaxed in the aftermath of a time-dilated fight where supercaps didn't rule the day and lag didn't determine the outcome, I browsed a rack of podkills with implants, spun my recently rebalanced hybrid-gunned ship, and typed off a poorly-thought-out ragepost about how the CSM was irrelevant, because I'm literally a big babby who has no idea what he's talking about.

I then went off to enjoy a bunch of new spaceship-related content that CCP produced after they finally acknowledged that focusing on FiS instead of WiS was the right thing to do!


Wow, when can we play that game because none of that existst yet. What I do know is that solo and small corps continue to get told of yet another way they will be driven out of Eve with PI changes that came out of the blue, that the CSM seems to care about nothing but the end game and CCP is going down in flames if recent events are correctly interpreted.

One good thing did come from this thread, the CSM actually finally posted in the Eve forums insteads of the their own "personal" channel perferences.

Issler


You're welcome to bet against me. It's worked out pretty well for Avon and his lot over the years.


Not betting against you as much as CCP based on their track record. And I was happy to see the CSM in the Eve forums, where I wish I saw them more.

But I do stand by my view that the "little guy" is consistently being ignored.

Issler