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"Removing Local" - I love these threads.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2012-11-18 22:09:34 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
it's funny how WH dwellers try to look extra-pro because of no local (and no gates, no hot drops, no sov warfare etc.) Roll

I too would love a lot less hot drops and sov warfare....


you are free to settle up in a WH... nobody will harm you I bet (cos ure so stealthy stealthy etc.).

There is a WH group. But soon highsec will be ~the place~ and I already have alts so why move the main.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-11-18 22:12:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Silk daShocka wrote:
Eve is a cold dark harsh cruel world, where you can avoid 99% of the risks by watching a user list populate. Oh yeah nerf hi-sec it's too safe.



You forgot to mention all the free data you can get that should go away too:

-dotland
-agent locators
-star map

And these are only some of those tools providing free intel you should never ever be able to use. You should just go there, jump blind etc etc etc.

Roll

Edit: Also let me add character employment history, corporation and character tag on ships, hell even gridd is free intell and you shouldn't ever be able to get it without probing and d-can.

What an awesome game indeed...

brb
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-11-18 22:13:37 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:
Eve is a cold dark harsh cruel world, where you can avoid 99% of the risks by watching a user list populate. Oh yeah nerf hi-sec it's too safe.

Alternative: remove local and have no defense whatsoever against cloaky gangs and hot drops.
Everyone who makes their money in nullsec immediately moves to highsec to get more isk for less risk.
Former remove local proponents now cry about having nothing to shoot at.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2012-11-18 22:14:01 UTC
Once you get past the gate camp, this is what gating into the uncamped nullbear systems is like.
http://i.imgur.com/IMjOg.gif

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#65 - 2012-11-18 22:14:07 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I too would love a lot less hot drops and sov warfare....


We've already covered how hot drops are only scary because they can suddenly bring more people into a system than you can see in local. Remove local and you'll have groups of people suddenly warping on top of unsuspecting nullbears all the time without the need for cyno's, but i suppose that's what you're afraid of.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#66 - 2012-11-18 22:14:18 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Silk daShocka wrote:
Eve is a cold dark harsh cruel world, where you can avoid 99% of the risks by watching a user list populate. Oh yeah nerf hi-sec it's too safe.

Alternative: remove local and have no defense whatsoever against cloaky gangs and hot drops.
Everyone who makes their money in nullsec immediately moves to highsec to get more isk for less risk.
Former remove local proponents now cry about having nothing to shoot at.

I've prepared my jumpclone, neutral alts and everything. Let's do it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-11-18 22:16:39 UTC
If there was no local, I am curious how many minutes it would need to have at least 10 QQ threads about hisecers being wardecced without having a clue that theyre chased etc.

So, if there is no really good alternative to local, removing it is plain dumb still.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-11-18 22:17:04 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
As long as WHs don't have local, and 0.0 does, WHs will be regarded as the place that takes more skill to live in.

If 0.0 dwellers are fine with that, then i don't see any problem.



I agree wh space does take more thought and skill than 0.0

npc space should have local
sov space it should be player content like a upgrade
youd have constalation chan so you can see friendlys/enemys/nuets and they numbers in area but youd have to use your head in your system if no local upgrade

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#69 - 2012-11-18 22:23:06 UTC
Removed some off topic posts. Keep it civil and on topic please. Thank you.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

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Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#70 - 2012-11-18 22:25:11 UTC
psycho freak wrote:
I agree wh space does take more thought and skill than 0.0


Nope. Wormhole space is the easiest space to not die in.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-11-18 22:30:17 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Bane Necran wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I too would love a lot less hot drops and sov warfare....


We've already covered how hot drops are only scary because they can suddenly bring more people into a system than you can see in local.

No, Lowell. Hot drops are dangerous because you can go from being pointed by a single ship to being attacked by any number of ships of any type in about 5-10 seconds. If you remove local that simply means there's no defense against this whatsoever, but to warp in on someone without warning would mean you'd need a cloaky gang, whereas hot drops only require one cloaky ship.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-11-18 22:32:18 UTC
Thomas Orca wrote:
psycho freak wrote:
I agree wh space does take more thought and skill than 0.0


Nope. Wormhole space is the easiest space to not die in.



What this guy said.

brb
Joseph Dreadloch
Dread Space Inc.
#73 - 2012-11-18 22:41:30 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
faster warp acceleration/deceleration rates for smaller ships.


Yes please.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#74 - 2012-11-18 22:53:03 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I too would love a lot less hot drops and sov warfare....


We've already covered how hot drops are only scary because they can suddenly bring more people into a system than you can see in local.

No, Lowell. Hot drops are dangerous because you can go from being pointed by a single ship to being attacked by any number of ships of any type in about 5-10 seconds. If you remove local that simply means there's no defense against this whatsoever, but to warp in on someone without warning would mean you'd need a cloaky gang, whereas hot drops only require one cloaky ship.

It's as though people forget the point of the hotdrop is suddenly a whole fleet is there.

Boat needs to hotdrop more people, though WAIT, it won't work in HIGHSEC ~~~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-11-18 23:04:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I too would love a lot less hot drops and sov warfare....


We've already covered how hot drops are only scary because they can suddenly bring more people into a system than you can see in local.

No, Lowell. Hot drops are dangerous because you can go from being pointed by a single ship to being attacked by any number of ships of any type in about 5-10 seconds. If you remove local that simply means there's no defense against this whatsoever, but to warp in on someone without warning would mean you'd need a cloaky gang, whereas hot drops only require one cloaky ship.

It's as though people forget the point of the hotdrop is suddenly a whole fleet is there.

Boat needs to hotdrop more people, though WAIT, it won't work in HIGHSEC ~~~~



You can't bridge neither to wh's ... and THAT, that thing really sucks hard !

brb
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-11-19 01:07:41 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Lets be honest, removing it in K-Space is a dumb idea...


i would LOVE to hear 1 reason why.

"OMG I'M SCARED!!!!" or "But i'm too lazy to pay attention" or "But then my bot will keep getting ganked!" are not valid reasons.

There is no Bob.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2012-11-19 02:15:51 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Lets be honest, removing it in K-Space is a dumb idea...


i would LOVE to hear 1 reason why.

"OMG I'M SCARED!!!!" or "But i'm too lazy to pay attention" or "But then my bot will keep getting ganked!" are not valid reasons.

How about "Paying attention doesn't do jack ****"?
Come on, if you actually think it's a good idea you have no clue as to what the consequences would be.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#78 - 2012-11-19 02:29:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Lets be honest, removing it in K-Space is a dumb idea...


i would LOVE to hear 1 reason why.

"OMG I'M SCARED!!!!" or "But i'm too lazy to pay attention" or "But then my bot will keep getting ganked!" are not valid reasons.

How about "Paying attention doesn't do jack ****"?
Come on, if you actually think it's a good idea you have no clue as to what the consequences would be.


You seem very afraid of losing the All Seeing Eye. I would consult a doctor about it.

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I invented Tiericide
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2012-11-19 02:32:06 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Lets be honest, removing it in K-Space is a dumb idea...


i would LOVE to hear 1 reason why.

"OMG I'M SCARED!!!!" or "But i'm too lazy to pay attention" or "But then my bot will keep getting ganked!" are not valid reasons.

How about "Paying attention doesn't do jack ****"?
Come on, if you actually think it's a good idea you have no clue as to what the consequences would be.


You seem very afraid of losing the All Seeing Eye. I would consult a doctor about it.

I'm not afraid at all, because I recognize that CCP understands what you apparently don't.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#80 - 2012-11-19 02:33:59 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
You seem very afraid of losing the All Seeing Eye. I would consult a doctor about it.

I'm not afraid at all, because I recognize that CCP understands what you apparently don't.

Well, I hope so... one must always be prepared for the worst...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?