Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, he's just against it.

I don't get why everyone hates on the current D-scan. It's ******* baller. My only complaint is that it doesn't auto-refresh so I have to spam the scan button.

****, that sentence missed the most important words *from local*

Well, sort of. The actual Local change is cake easy. But bringing in a better D-Scan is the tricky part. While D-Scan as is isn't terrible, it is not intuitive.

I've suggested before that the old radar coupled with the new... well current D-Scan would work fine. Make the range you can scan out to based on two factors:

Ship Sensor Strength
Scan Aperture Focus

D-Scan would be a manually adjustable, but autonomous ship system. As an example, you could direct the scanner at the only stargate in system, which happens to be 100 AU away. So you tighten the SAF to say, 5 degrees, which yields a much longer scan range than say, 90 degrees. But to reach 100 AU, you might have to use an ECCM to boost the Sensor Strength of the ship.

I suggest something akin to this:

Each point of sensor strength on a given ship is equal to 1 AU base scan range with the scanner set to a 360 degree sphere. So for example, we will use the Raven:

22 Base Gravimetric Sensor Strength = 22 AU base scan range

If we use the current D-Scan focus settings: 360, 180, 90, 60, 30, 15, 5

Scan range increases proportional to the tightness of the focus:

360 = 1x
180 = 1.5x
090 = 2x
060 = 2.25x
030 = 2.75x
015 = 3x
005 = 4x

So a naked Raven with max focus can scan as far as 88 AU

Now a sphere scanner with 22 AU range is probably going to work for most players, so here is the other boot: Scan Resolution and Passive Scanning.

A ship's Scan Resolution will determine at what rate the ship can emit a sensor pulse and what effect on the scan results that pulse will have. For each 100 Scan Resolution your ship will lose 1 second on Scan Pulse activation delay, which has a base of 10 seconds. The cap is 1000 Scan Resolution, more won't help you scan faster.

So with that Raven, which has 106.25 Scan Resolution. The 10 second base pulse is reduced by 1.0625 seconds to 8.9375 Seconds. A Sensor Booster II with Scan Resolution Script would make that: 170 SR and 8.3 seconds.

Now for passive scanning, this is the part that will make things really interesting. Passive Scanning relies entirely on seeing the Scan Pulses from other ships. Your own Scan Range has no effect on whether you can see a ping from another ship. Passive Scanning does not hide you, but it does allow you to let other players reveal themselves for you rather than you going through the effort of actively scanning. You can passive scan any ship that is sending out scan pulses that reveal you to them. This is especially helpful against larger ships that are out of your scan range and would otherwise be undetectable.

Current Probe Mechanics are still required for making a warpable contact. The new Radar/D-Scan is informational only.

As current, the only way to defeat a Scan Pulse entirely is with a Cloaking Device, but unlike now no more probing or scanning while cloaked. Covert Ops cloaks may be an exception.

Solid argument

So what, change nothing, ever, for fear of making it worse? They might as well have stopped back in '03 and left it as is. And it was no great shakes back then.

Yeah, the new inventory kinda sucks. But EVE UI, in general, SUCKS HORRIBLY. And I say this from a loving place. Things like drone window, D-Scan, etc., are all really, really bad. You can't even change fonts in EVE, and font size is only limited to 4 (? I think) possible sizes. Consider that in most other MMOs, you can not only heavily re-work your UI, you can change fonts, font sizes and colors, add sound cues, etc. And this is for MMOs that released in 2004-2008. When it comes to UI in general, EVE is incredibly, ludicrously backward.

It's almost as if we don't have a 60+ page thread on this exact subject on the same page of GD right this moment.

Anybody clamoring to remove local in nullsec should go ahead and look in there. If you have any reading comprehension at all you'll realize why it's a pretty terrible idea. You don't have to read the entire thread, it pretty much repeats itself every 5 pages or so.

Should people that sit in 100,000 man alliances comment on the rest of the game? Probably not.

I too would love a lot less hot drops and sov warfare....

You don't need local in a game like wow, try it on some serious populated pvp server and figure out players have tons of tools to escape/defend themselves when it comes to pvp encounters, hell even graveyard camping in wow can lead to permanent ban when is Eve it's fully encouraged (not say'in some don't do it, even I did but after a GM warning you stop, believe me)



So such fantastic ships carrying dozens or hundreds of sophisticated electronics have to probe ships and sites, and are unable to state out distances, don't aloud you to warp directly to from your d-scan result and etc?

Indeed local is maybe not the optimal game feature but probing and d-scan are by far even worst systems and little connection with such scy-fy advanced civilisations composed of immortal beings.




Yet you can't explain why with reasonable arguments. If the ultimate goal is to make Eve an FPS crap space ships game then indeed that's the better option ever.