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Live Events team redundant too? Where is CCP Dropbear!

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#21 - 2011-10-20 12:21:38 UTC
Darkcoro Matari wrote:
Live Events are one of the things that got me back into EVE, and while it is sad to see those who have gone go, Please CCP Hold onto the assets you have left!

These guys have made EVE Into a living breathing universe for a lot of RP Players like myself, and for that I Thank them, and give them my ongoing and continued support. Please don't fire them CCP!!!

Those who have been let go, it is with a heavy heart that I say Farewell, and I wish you all the best in the future.


If live events are a thing of the past now, it will be a great loss to EVE.
It's not even the Roleplay only. It is working together towards something creative, getting to know people you would never have met before - or who would likely just shoot you down under different circumstances.

And particularly Arek'Jalaan is/was a project that really had an intelligent concept beyond just pew-pew and a chance for anyone to get involved.

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x

Kikia Truzhari
Teraa Matar
#22 - 2011-10-20 12:26:25 UTC
I'm getting confirmations from various sources that I'd consider accurate saying that no, dropbear was not in the 20%. However, a lot of the other content people were, and his workload is likely to have gone up, so even though he's not gone, the live events might be slowing down.

Justs a heads up.

PS: No, unfortunately, TonyG was not one of the people sacked.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#23 - 2011-10-20 12:30:29 UTC
Omg, mods got fired?

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-10-20 12:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
moar sandbox = less LOLRP

live events are exactly the sort of themepark content eve players love to hate - except it's more like a circus than a themepark and as such not even a good return on the resource investment it requires (a themepark stays there for generations of people to use & enjoy, a circus moves on after a few shows).

certainly a nice extravaganza if you have money to spare but not exactly one of the core strengths of eve.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#25 - 2011-10-20 13:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Quote:
moar sandbox = less LOLRP

live events are exactly the sort of themepark content eve players love to hate - except it's more like a circus than a themepark and as such not even a good return on the resource investment it requires (a themepark stays there for generations of people to use & enjoy, a circus moves on after a few shows).

certainly a nice extravaganza if you have money to spare but not exactly one of the core strengths of eve.


I think you never joined an EVE live event and thus are not entitled to an opinion.

Also you do not know what a themepark MMO is: A themepark MMO gives you pre-chewed quests which you have to follow to progress, like you would the rides in a themepark. Sometimes you can decide to take one ride and not the other, but you follow a stringent path that leads you to all of the rest of the bored heroes wondering what to do next.

Live Events like Arek'Jalaan: Content is mostly made by the players. This content is also visible for other players and becomes part of EVE history.

For people who think that EVE is only about pew-pew
--->> That is the way to Black Prophecy.

Pew-pew is a large part of the game. It is not the game as EVE is a space simulation. That said one of the things Arek'Jalaan does: It also leads you to dangerous places.

ROI is high, because the investment is relatively low. (Few hours in a chat each week)

EDIT: Took out the "like you". No offense meant, but you see: I can get as emotinal about things like this, as others over ship-spinning

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x

Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
#26 - 2011-10-20 13:56:47 UTC
I'm with Aiden on this. EVE live events are not theme park style interactions. What Dropbear and any of his cohorts provided was a means for the players to contribute and build within the EVE universe where game mechanics did not support our actions. They facilitated an evolving game style.

If that is gone I've lost a big incentive to bother logging in.

_ _

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#27 - 2011-10-20 14:16:15 UTC
The backstory is one of the jewels in Eve's crown.

That includes the chronicles, the news stories and the live events.

Please CCP, don't neglect the backstory.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
#28 - 2011-10-20 14:35:12 UTC
Players write the story. The live events team makes it canon.

_ _

Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#29 - 2011-10-20 14:41:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Rodj Blake wrote:
The backstory is one of the jewels in Eve's crown.

That includes the chronicles, the news stories and the live events.

Please CCP, don't neglect the backstory.



Not please CCP. CCP neglect the backstory at your own peril. EVE was build on it, it was one of the reasons of your succes.

From what I have seen CCP Dropbear has been posting on the forums today regarding live events so I don't think they god scrapped. After all, if they don't realise the importance of these events, we can just shut down everything now and sell the servers on ebay.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#30 - 2011-10-20 15:03:49 UTC
I'm fairly certain Droppy would have made a twitter post or something if he was gone.

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.

Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#31 - 2011-10-20 15:09:56 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
moar sandbox = less LOLRP

live events are exactly the sort of themepark content eve players love to hate - except it's more like a circus than a themepark and as such not even a good return on the resource investment it requires (a themepark stays there for generations of people to use & enjoy, a circus moves on after a few shows).

certainly a nice extravaganza if you have money to spare but not exactly one of the core strengths of eve.



I call b*llshit

Other then Dropbears salary, how do live events cost CCP anything? They don't require any new content, they are all done with stuff that already exists in game. I don't take part, but have been following the Arek'Jalaan project, and if that how people want to play in their sandbox, good on em..

In fact i think, due to the number of people that show up for live events, and the number of bored rper's that now stay subbed because they have something to do, live events are probably one of the best bang for buck things that CCP has up their sleeve at the moment.

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.

CCP Dropbear
C C P
C C P Alliance
#32 - 2011-10-20 19:00:57 UTC
Firstly, thanks for show of support guys. We're really glad live events can make a meaningful impact like this, that's really epic to see. (Also, being called a fanwhore was quite heartwarming, after I looked up the meaning.)

So...Headfirst and I are both still around, and we'll continue to support events as we always have. If it means we shift some of the event work back to our "off hours" then so be it. As we've maintained since the beginning, we really love this part of our jobs, and we're happy to do whatever it takes to keep events going.

Expect a little disruption to events over the short-term, and possibly some readjustments to our resources over the long term. It's possible some of the big ideas for events may become less likely, but we'll see, and keep you all updated on any changes.

Anyways, we'll be back on the road before you know it, and pushing for more event support as we always have. Part of the short-term lull will just be us needing some time. We lost some friends in all of this, and some great thinkers. A little patience would be appreciated in the coming days.

Sooooo much ♥,
Dropbear and Headfirst


Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#33 - 2011-10-20 19:06:15 UTC
See, nothing to worry about.

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.

Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#34 - 2011-10-20 19:15:32 UTC
I know this isnt really your thing but is Alliance tournament going to happen next year. I know CCP Soundwave was not the only person making the AT happen. CCP Fallout and CCP Zymurgist was more a guest than a hosts but still they were the better guests.

https://www.facebook.com/RipSeanVileRatSmith shoot at blue for Vile Rat http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73406

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#35 - 2011-10-20 20:05:27 UTC
CCP Dropbear wrote:
Firstly, thanks for show of support guys. We're really glad live events can make a meaningful impact like this, that's really epic to see. (Also, being called a fanwhore was quite heartwarming, after I looked up the meaning.)

So...Headfirst and I are both still around, and we'll continue to support events as we always have. If it means we shift some of the event work back to our "off hours" then so be it. As we've maintained since the beginning, we really love this part of our jobs, and we're happy to do whatever it takes to keep events going.

Expect a little disruption to events over the short-term, and possibly some readjustments to our resources over the long term. It's possible some of the big ideas for events may become less likely, but we'll see, and keep you all updated on any changes.

Anyways, we'll be back on the road before you know it, and pushing for more event support as we always have. Part of the short-term lull will just be us needing some time. We lost some friends in all of this, and some great thinkers. A little patience would be appreciated in the coming days.

Sooooo much ♥,
Dropbear and Headfirst




So goddamn glad to hear that! You guys rock. And I am very sorry for the colleagues & friends you lost and everyone will understand that Arek'Jalaan will not be the first thing on your mind for a while.

Thanks again!

Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE Playlist on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSNuHY7z8n1q1BdLvW2verIfH8vvWtz_x

Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
Brotherhood of Spacers
#36 - 2011-10-20 20:17:56 UTC
Awesome news, glad to hear Dropbear is still hangin' in there.

Now keep those wrecks on the field where they belong man, no more clearing them at Live Events. Lag be damned.

Quality Assurance Recruiting intrepid explorers and BlOps/Cov Ops combat enthusiasts

A Lunchbox
Basgerin Pirate
#37 - 2011-10-20 20:21:55 UTC
As someone who has experienced the joys of live events from other games, I wholeheartedly agree that they have a profound impact on a game's flavor and are entirely underused in the current MMO market. I haven't been able to be involved in anything in eve yet, but hear the same things I used to say about other games that did similar, mainly that it actually gives the universe its own life and color through player interactions, with each other AND the people running the show. This opens up a whole new aspect to the sandbox, be it through simple pewpew for good random invasion loot, through giving people reasons to shape the economy a certain way, through epic l33t roleplaying with GMPCs, or any combination of the above. Done properly, it gives the -whole- of the game a reason to get together and do something they can all consider fun, where normally the population would be segregated into playstyle with very little reason to actually interact with each other (see any thread about high-low-null population and the divide we currently have). Personally, I think EVE needs more GM and player driven events going on, as it enjoys being one of the few MMOs with a single server/shard/wtfever where something like that is not only feasable without a large army of dedicated event staff, but is actually optimal to having people feel like they did something unique (no arguements about who did what first on what server - it's just there).
CCP Headfirst
C C P
C C P Alliance
#38 - 2011-10-20 20:33:17 UTC
Yeah, we're still here. Like Dropbear said, live events might have a few hiccups while we wait for the dust to settle, but they're very much still part of the broader plan for EVE.

You cannot escape the wrath of Sansha Kuvakei that easily, capsuleers! If I were you, I'd use this momentary quiet to reload and repair. :)
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#39 - 2011-10-20 21:03:48 UTC
Reloaded, Repaired and (hopefully) prepared.

now... if only a certain ms creston would read her eve-mails :P

good to hear that you guys are still kicking over there, and my condolences to those who are affected by the recent shakeup at CCP.

- Yuni.

Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.

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