Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Have you considered that perhaps the reason it is hard to find fights in PvP is because of local? It's a sword that cuts both ways. If local were removed, there'd be no intel, but it would be going both ways - no intel for both aggressors and the prey. An ambush would be a whole lot easier to set up. Escaping an ambush would be a whole lot harder. And so on.

Further, if the gate mechanics were changed to not provide a choke point, perhaps we'd see more people going into low or null. Because the reason most avoid it, especially newer players, is gate camps. You jump through a gate into low/null, get popped at the gate. OK, you do it a few times more, and it happens again. What do you do? You quit the game. I've seen it. Gate mechanics, and local, are really nothing more than a form of spawn camping, and most games strive to avoid it. Can it be avoided in EVE? Yep. Is it easy to avoid? Nope.

I don't think anyone is advocating removing local and that's it, no more changes. But if you combine removing local with an overhaul to D-Scan, some tweaks to probing and perhaps some other tweaks, it could be a positive game-changer. Or, we can just sit back and watch the game stagnate like it has for almost a decade now.

The biggest argument for removing local though? It's already de facto removed in WH space. And yet, it works. There are people in WHs, they own structures, there's entire alliances living there. And they're doing it just fine without local. Sure there's mass restrictions and other issues, but like I said, removing local can't be a singular change, it has to be a comprehensive set of changes to the whole thing.

Having said that, no, I don't believe it'll ever happen. Because despite all the talk, EVE is designed in a certain way, for certain people, encouraging a certain playstyle. Which is why it never really took off, despite having stunning graphics and some very interesting mechanics and loads of lore.

oooh cyno's are scary.

The only reason you're so afraid of them, and they're used in such a way, is because they can suddenly bring more people into a system you thought was less populated because of local. If there was no local, there would be less need for that.

I'm usually the person on the other side of the cyno good sir.

Well imagine not having to bother with a cyno, because people can just wait in the same system and not appear in local.

I'm sorry, but going out on a casual ~couple hour~ roam with some friends to find goodfites would suck without a way to determine how many dudes are in space.

There's no way in hell I'm going to spend the time to go into each system for 20-30 jumps a night without a least something that gives me some kind of idea where potential prey are.

No local works in wormholes because even without local if you die in a wormhole you are bad.

I'm starting to think you're just a bot who pays no attention to the current subject and just follows people, trying the same Ad Hominem attacks over and over on them.

But to humor you, I was cruising around 0.0 when you and the goons were still playing Age of Conan or something.

You do know that the map does all that for you... even better than Local does... at least I hope you do.

But then people would be surprised when suddenly two CFC fleets uncloak on the gate and ... those evil blobbers.

The problem is that your position requires CCP to invest man-hours into a system that currently functions to change. A system that in order to work without, you'd need a new one that isn't bugged.

Look how the new inventory worked out.