Warfare & Tactics

I doubt it - if anything it's going to be a nano age with the new caracals coming out.

+1 for the FW scenario. Thanks David for the suggestions.

Talking about plexing i definitely think they are the best/fast way to get a fight in FW.
Actually i noticed that a lot of piretes (most of the time amarr friends) are populating kourm-auga area, that shakes things up but sometimes make the gameplay a little boring.

I'm waiting for ccp to nerf the out-of-grid boosters and i'm waiting for new missile tracking disruptors script and mods, but i'm shure that new T1 cruisers will work great in the FW skirmishes, just like slashers and condors, or the amazing atron.

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I am genuinely asking, why would T2 cruisers in medium plexes would be a problem ? I mean, isk should not really be a problem in FW. As for SP, most of the people complaining here shoudl be able to fly T2/T3 no prob.

And even if FW should have a low entry barrier (which tbh I don;t agree with because it means agreeing with linear progression), am sure with the changes to T1 cruisers, new guys can still hep with ewar and stuff. Plus a lot of ppl in HACs and such will give newer guys something to aspire to ...

Too much isk and station lock-out at stake, nobody will reship for good fights. People who want challenging fights are a minority in Eve, maybe 0,1% of players put fun above profit.

It's why we have whole corps of people who wont even undock a t1 frigate without t3 link/scout alt in tow.

Because it is a very uninteresting tactical decision. The decision to ship-up is not a very challenging decision, it doesn't take much intelligence to figure out that its good to do: it is boring. Might as well remove many ship classes entirely.



I think you should be condemned to a year of playing games where everyone is either hugely better than you, or everyone is very much worse than you. I think you'd be bored silly. Why do you think you there are things like leagues, ladders, matchmakers etc. in both online and offline games. Because when parties are roughly evenly matched and the outcome is not sure from the outset, it becomes interesting to partcipate in, and interesting to watch. How interesting do you think they alliance tournament would be if both sides could ship up without limit?



Yes, you are seeing this wrong. I don't see or play Eve as an arcade game. Please don't make such implications, you are only confusing the issue by doing so.



No, I am not. The problem is that you seem to be unable to see the wider game. I prefer a game that has tactical variation, so that more meaningful choices emerge. To use an analogy: I prefer EVE not to be a fight on a flat plain with perfect visibility, but I prefer variations in terrain features. Woods, hills, night, day, rain, sun, wind, mud etc. etc. Plex restrictions are one of EVE's only limited 'terrain features', frig plexes are like dense forest or urban area, only accessible by small individual units (footsoldiers). If those restriction weren't present, you would probably see primarily things like tanks and jet fighters on the battlefield.



That is one of the boring game rules ever. I don't think you would want to apply that to any of the games you played as a kid. Just see yourself asking: mom, dad, why are you always starting chess games with 8 queens in the front row, and me with pawns? And they respond with 'hey, we went to the trouble of learning chess 30 years ago, we are entitled to put that advantage to use'

There is nothing wrong with shipping up in itself. There is something wrong when shipping up is the only sensible choice to a wide range of scenario's.

If I was losing t2 ships (let alone t3 ships - but I think t3 are allowed in now.) at the rate I lose t1 ships, I would be bankrupt. This means I would need to either spend more time carebearing missions or I would need to stop taking as many fights where I know I have significant chance of losing.

Thus this means less pvp for me. And I am sure I am not the only one.







I agree fw shoudln't be marketed as something to get started in pvp. I think the frequent small scale pvp is one of the most challenging types of pvp. It should just be marketed as great pvp. Null sec alliances seem much more new player friendly.

LOL at T3 cruisers in medium plexes. /me heading to Jita for a few pretei now.

Anyways, small gang pvp in eve is in a pretty good state right now, and the changes are going to be fun to try out. More ships able to do more things is good.

Actually, less PvP for everyone.

Those who avoid risk in PvP are dependent for their PvP on those who take risks. On the other hand, the people that do take risk are not dependent on the risk averse players for their PvP.

Actually, not at all. I have just as much fun killing a t1 frigate as I have killing a vindicator - and fighting with small cheap stuff generally means more fights. Possibly more fun since there is usually a lot more individual piloting required for a small ship fight vs a BS ship fight.

I'm quite against the t2 cruisers in plexes for a number of reasons
a) plexes force diversity though a cap - guardian/ahac/rapier gangs already fight well outside their weight class
b) Through removing the crutches of logistics there are a lot less fleets, and a lot more skirmishes (the new logi ships I view as a negative, but that's a totally different discussion: Minus logisitcs people need to be aware of their surroundings, to react to the opposing force and manuveur effectively, to see the early signs that they are next on the list and take mitigating action etc. With logi you just broadcast and wait.).

It comes down to this: IMO Fleets require a lot less individual pilot skill than skirmish warfare. And I love plexes because they encourage skirmish warfare through dispersion of force, while most if not all the other combat mechanisms in eve encourage the concentration of force.

(NB: FC(s) in a fleet have a TON to do, and that can be an interesting job. But being a grunt in one of those fleets is a snoozefest in comparison. Wait for jump/bridge order, shoot primary, broadcast when shot).

It's the cap on ship sizes that really encourages pushing a ship class to it's ultimate limit - 100km sniping cormorants, 10mn AB thrashers, nano gank arbitrators - ships that your opponent will see that is in his weight class and will be more likely to engage, but that you've managed to push into a niche to gain an advantage.

Pushing a ship class to its limits is a lot more interesting than just getting the next ship up. And it's cheaper to boot, which usually means you get more of those fun fight where people just slug it out until the last few men are standing and the field is strewn with wrecks from both sides.

Why would you not be on the warp in? on the test server the beacon is now within 10km of the button. This is another problem with tthe T2 ships like a Deimos they will just sit on the warp in, main problem with plated HAC is speed, hell I may even use an AB instead of a microwarpdrive as long as I am in first the fight will always start at zero. But seriously who will enter to PVP against this wihout major support, means less fights more shooting NPC's waiting for timers.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to make use of HACs, changing the NPC's should make them more viable in Majors and there they have competition from Battlecruisers at least.