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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2012-11-18 14:50:54 UTC
Ocih wrote:
You wanted the spot light you got it.

The greatest thing about an EULA is, it pretty much says CCP can make it up as they go. I hate to hate anyone but I know a rat when I see it.

I'll just make sure the link to this is fresh in your mind: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2188751#post2188751

And in case you're incapable of pressing that link, here's the entire quote for you:
CCP Falcon wrote:
So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:

Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.

However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:

  • Bumping is not considered harassment.
  • Bumping is not considered griefing.
  • Bumping is not against the rules.


It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.

Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.

There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination. Smile

Seems pretty clear cut to me. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

UAxSunShine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2012-11-18 14:52:48 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Let's get one thing straight here, I'm not making excuses. It's a fact. People are wrong to criticize the game mechanics, but that's all they are - wrong. You have no right to visit the personalities or mental states of people you know nothing about. It is ellitist, immature, and quite frankly unnecessary if you have a good argument to counter their criticism with. What you said about these people was absolutely disgraceful. By making such pithy remarks about people, you are doing your arguments a disservice, and discrediting yourself as a civilised and legitimate member of the EVE community.



I'm not saying that you personally are making excuses, my comments were directed more towards the people actually making excuses in this thread. And as for my "rights" this is a forum for people to voice their opinions, there are plently of people making assumptions about peoples lives all throughout this forums, the game and everything else associated with eve. Just because i happen to hit a sore spot doesn't mean that I am "elitist" or "Immature" and saying I'm not going to make it as a legitimate member of the "eve community" I really can't understand which community you mean.

Is it the people who whinge about nothing?
Is it the people who can't understand basic game mechanics?
Is it the people who have their heads up their ass?
The highsec carebears?
The faction warfare guys?
Is it the wormhole corps?
Is it the mission runners in 0.0?
Is it the sov warfare grunts?

(please enlighten me because I really want to know)


And I fit in quite well within my own social bubble in eve online and while I may not be a truly be a messiah of the people you should really understand that thousands of different people play this game. And there are a lot of different people from different cultures, upbringings, socioeconomic backgrounds, different jobs, ages, ways of life and many, many more differences among us. Maybe you need to accept the fact that some people won't agree with you on everything that you say or do. But one thing stays the same throughout the world; people who would rather point the blame finger at someone else than provide constructive arguments.
Alara IonStorm
#163 - 2012-11-18 14:53:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Ocih wrote:

You know the entire manufacturing structure of EVE is in Jita due to the proximity to all the technetium, you know anyone not in your NAP train needs to run freighters through Niarja and Eudama. You know that even if the random neutral is caught up in it, none of that matters to you.

You control the game. Because of systems made years ago using an engine that wasn't made to run the EVE it sits on now, you control the game. You manipulate markets, you manipulate T2, you manipulate traffic lanes. CCP are powerless to stop it. They hope for a miracle from the player base but in the end, you control the game.

So wait if Goons did all that then they should be commended for their strategy.

In the War of 1812 the British nearly collapsed the American economy through counter fitting since the US monetary system in the fledgling nation was no where near secure.

Null isn't a Call of Duty match, it is about finding the high ground and taking it, putting people in a jam. Using strategy beyond Drakes and Rokhs to win wars. Though of course then the complaint is they have more, repaint your recruiting office then. The game you are looking for is Call of Duty.

As funny as all the Goon jokes are they seem to be out thinking people as well as out recruiting them. Nerf conscious thought.
UAxSunShine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2012-11-18 14:54:33 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?


I honestly think people are talking about this killmail.
Preceptor Stigmartyr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#165 - 2012-11-18 14:55:09 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Newsflash wrote:
14 freighters/jf suicide ganked in empire last 24h by just handful of ships in every gank. 10 bc do it easily or 20 destroyers... this thing is just escalating by day. ccp time to do something about easiness and huge profit and neglible risk suicideganking these big ships offers.


If it's so easy, why aren't more people doing it?

Because the rest of us aren't antisocial sociopaths with no empathy. Roll



Don't underestimate just how social we are within our own community. Sociopaths lack a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience. Both of these aspects are quite strong _within_ GS despite the hyperbole.

Eve was not designed to be a space faring utopia otherwise they would have never given anything offensive capabilities. Human players transpose their IRL morals and social structure to Eve. Eve doesn't have this requirement. Part of the success of goons in general is in understanding the game at least better than the care bears who exhaust themselves trying to see the game for something it isn't.

Empathizing with the buffalo won't get you a meal or a nice coat.

**4/19 **NEVER FORGET ಠ_ಠ

UAxSunShine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#166 - 2012-11-18 14:57:40 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

Null isn't a Call of Duty match, it is about finding the high ground and taking it, putting people in a jam. Using strategy beyond Drakes and Rokhs to win wars. Though of course then the complaint is they have more, repaint your recruiting office then. The game you are looking for is Call of Duty.


Can't agree with you more, a hell of a lot of planning and co-ordination goes into taking a region. 1000's of man hours among the alliances/coalitions is needed to secure something for themselves, and it is stressful.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#167 - 2012-11-18 14:58:16 UTC
Preceptor Stigmartyr wrote:
Empathizing with the buffalo won't get you a meal or a nice coat.

Loading Phased Plasma L into the 1400mm Artillery II

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#168 - 2012-11-18 14:58:26 UTC
Damn people are angry there days Big smile
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2012-11-18 14:59:00 UTC
UAxSunShine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?


I honestly think people are talking about this killmail.

Yes, I've seen that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was that one, but that's still just 202227.25m3. The guy claimed it was a full freighter of nothing but trit. So I'm still calling "it doesn't exist" until someone coughs up a proper, api-verified killmail with nothing but trit in it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

UAxSunShine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#170 - 2012-11-18 15:01:32 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
UAxSunShine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?


I honestly think people are talking about this killmail.

Yes, I've seen that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was that one, but that's still just 202227.25m3. The guy claimed it was a full freighter of nothing but trit. So I'm still calling "it doesn't exist" until someone coughs up a proper, api-verified killmail with nothing but trit in it.


I've been monitoring the killboards and nothings shown up recently with "just trit". Is it even possible to have a value of a freighter that provides a chance of a reward when it contains only trit?
Alara IonStorm
#171 - 2012-11-18 15:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
UAxSunShine wrote:

Yes, I've seen that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was that one, but that's still just 202227.25m3. The guy claimed it was a full freighter of nothing but trit. So I'm still calling "it doesn't exist" until someone coughs up a proper, api-verified killmail with nothing but trit in it.

Stop being lazy and check through the imaginary killboards. There is a rusty powerdrill and a magnifying glass over there. Get to digging.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#172 - 2012-11-18 15:02:46 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
idk, stop sucking or something.


They only need to change their freighters to jump freighters and completely and safely transport their crap from high to null and vice versa. They also need to learn to accept the courier contract with an alt and the contract it back to the main hauler that will only carry a "plastic wrap" dropping peanuts instead of billions of goodies.

But yeah, it's safer to haul from/to null than transport something in high sec and this needs changes because null sec transporting is clearly out of risk for the huge amount of rewards.

Blink

brb

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2012-11-18 15:03:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
UAxSunShine wrote:
I've been monitoring the killboards and nothings shown up recently with "just trit". Is it even possible to have a value of a freighter that provides a chance of a reward when it contains only trit?

Napkin math on 90m units of trit: less than 600m isk.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2012-11-18 15:03:28 UTC
UAxSunShine wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Let's get one thing straight here, I'm not making excuses. It's a fact. People are wrong to criticize the game mechanics, but that's all they are - wrong. You have no right to visit the personalities or mental states of people you know nothing about. It is ellitist, immature, and quite frankly unnecessary if you have a good argument to counter their criticism with. What you said about these people was absolutely disgraceful. By making such pithy remarks about people, you are doing your arguments a disservice, and discrediting yourself as a civilised and legitimate member of the EVE community.



I'm not saying that you personally are making excuses, my comments were directed more towards the people actually making excuses in this thread. And as for my "rights" this is a forum for people to voice their opinions, there are plently of people making assumptions about peoples lives all throughout this forums, the game and everything else associated with eve. Just because i happen to hit a sore spot doesn't mean that I am "elitist" or "Immature" and saying I'm not going to make it as a legitimate member of the "eve community" I really can't understand which community you mean.

Is it the people who whinge about nothing?
Is it the people who can't understand basic game mechanics?
Is it the people who have their heads up their ass?
The highsec carebears?
The faction warfare guys?
Is it the wormhole corps?
Is it the mission runners in 0.0?
Is it the sov warfare grunts?

(please enlighten me because I really want to know)


And I fit in quite well within my own social bubble in eve online and while I may not be a truly be a messiah of the people you should really understand that thousands of different people play this game. And there are a lot of different people from different cultures, upbringings, socioeconomic backgrounds, different jobs, ages, ways of life and many, many more differences among us. Maybe you need to accept the fact that some people won't agree with you on everything that you say or do. But one thing stays the same throughout the world; people who would rather point the blame finger at someone else than provide constructive arguments.


That last part - you should keep it in mind the next time you want to refer to someone you don't know as having no personality. And you've been doing as much finger pointing and blaming. You were the one calling people stupid. I only need to go back a page or two to find the posts, but I think you know the one's I'm talking about. If you want to make constructive arguments, then why do you feel the need to inject such hostility? There's no point to it. Talk to people, don't antagonise them, and maybe they'll be more willing to listen. Or, antagonise them and watch them ignore you completely - seriously, what do you expect?

You hit no sore spot with me, but why you seem to think that's some kind of victory or something to achieve suggests that it is what you were trying to achieve to begin with, hence why I assume you have nothing constructive to offer that hasn't already been offered.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#175 - 2012-11-18 15:14:20 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
UAxSunShine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?


I honestly think people are talking about this killmail.

Yes, I've seen that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was that one, but that's still just 202227.25m3. The guy claimed it was a full freighter of nothing but trit. So I'm still calling "it doesn't exist" until someone coughs up a proper, api-verified killmail with nothing but trit in it.

Compressed trit, huh.

Mm, those railguns

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

UAxSunShine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#176 - 2012-11-18 15:23:07 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


That last part - you should keep it in mind the next time you want to refer to someone you don't know as having no personality. And you've been doing as much finger pointing and blaming. You were the one calling people stupid. I only need to go back a page or two to find the posts, but I think you know the one's I'm talking about. If you want to make constructive arguments, then why do you feel the need to inject such hostility? There's no point to it. Talk to people, don't antagonise them, and maybe they'll be more willing to listen. Or, antagonise them and watch them ignore you completely - seriously, what do you expect?

You hit no sore spot with me, but why you seem to think that's some kind of victory or something to achieve suggests that it is what you were trying to achieve to begin with, hence why I assume you have nothing constructive to offer that hasn't already been offered.


I provided constructive arguments in my first post and I really, truly, honestly can't see where i was hostile in nature beyond the context that had already been provided in previous posts. The replies where non-constructive and had no factual basis for any logical truths, nor did they disprove my original argument. Simply because that is my social culture and it appears to clash with your utopia doesn't mean i'm some kind of sociopath.

And i'd really like to know where I called someone an idiot. There is no part of my text/posts where I call someone an idiot. I said their actions were idiotic and they should probably think about their future in eve online but no direct words were made about someones intelligence.

The "victory" you seem to have imagined for me is completely fabricated in every sense. As far as goals go in this thread i'm just trying to understand why there is a need to discuss this topic in this context. The original poster seemed to offer nothing of value to the discussion, or have many of the people in this thread. And realistically this isn't the forum to be voicing concerns over the current "freighter issue"(which in itself has been completely fabricated as well) there are at least 3 other forums where the voices of the people complaing would be received in a better light.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#177 - 2012-11-18 15:28:14 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Ps. Remember after mining barges buf, some people swich to freigters... just becuse is easy to destroy, small buf for freigters would be nice, but come on, even buf cant protect silly pilots.

A buff to freighters would certainly help protect silly pilots. But only so much.

You need a really drastic nerf to the gankers to achieve peace in our lifetimes. Even then, someone will autopilot their pod to jita and get blown up...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#178 - 2012-11-18 15:43:04 UTC
Ocih wrote:

You know the entire manufacturing structure of EVE is in Jita due to the proximity to all the technetium...


Yes, the reason that Jita is the game's main trade hub is because of technetium and goons. That's the only possible reason.
UAxSunShine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#179 - 2012-11-18 15:44:21 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Ocih wrote:

You know the entire manufacturing structure of EVE is in Jita due to the proximity to all the technetium...


Yes, the reason that Jita is the game's main trade hub is because of technetium and goons. That's the only possible reason.

You might be on to something there. It's a conspiracy that goes all the way to slightly below the middle.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2012-11-18 15:52:24 UTC
UAxSunShine wrote:
Which is probably stems from their everyday life where they are very rarely acknowledged and usually overlooked and ignored. Which in turn is likely justified because they have no redeeming qualities in their personality , have no ability to take any kind of responsibility for their failures and refuse to approach any issues with an objective view.


This is the post I'm talking about specifically.

"Which is probably stems from their everyday life where they are very rarely acknowledged and usually overlooked and ignored."

You don't know anything about their everyday life.

"Which in turn is likely justified because they have no redeeming qualities in their personality"

You don't know enough about their personality to make this either a justification or a conclusion.

"have no ability to take any kind of responsibility for their failures and refuse to approach any issues with an objective view"

Now, I can see why this would be relevant if you were talking specifically about using the forums to complain instead of doing something about their problems in-game, but when you start your post with "probably stems from their everyday life" it becomes antagonistic and presumptuous, and not just a little arrogant.

Those kinds of posts are disgusting, and they don't reflect well on your argument at all.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104