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Dave Stark
#141 - 2012-11-18 14:17:21 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:


Don't politic me.
You are sploiting.


Again, plese show us what rules we are supposedly breaking.


you know it's not going to happen by virtue of this thread containing a link to the exact opposite.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#142 - 2012-11-18 14:18:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Ghazu wrote:
Quote:


Is GS still sponsoring as well? I could toss 2-3B into a "revival", just to spice up Christmas.

oh 2-3 b only? you can easily Madoff like 2-3 t.


Nah, if I wanted to Madoff I'd have ran already, I am holding hundreds of billions for third parties and am not going to be just a copycat of many others who ran with the money.

In EvE you stand out (if that's your thing) much more if you are honest than if you just do like everybody else.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-11-18 14:20:39 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Goons are exploiting very old mechanics. Plain and simple.

There's no exploit being utilized.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2012-11-18 14:21:34 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but previously you were stating that it was stupid to carry more than this apparently perceived "limit" - it's not stupid, it's risky.

It's risky until you get ganked, then it's stupid. Lol

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#145 - 2012-11-18 14:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Ghazu wrote:


Is GS still sponsoring as well? I could toss 2-3B into a "revival", just to spice up Christmas.

oh 2-3 b only? you can easily Madoff like 2-3 t.

Nah, if I wanted to Madoff I'd have ran already, I am holding hundreds of billions for third parties and am not going to be just a copycat of many others who ran with the money.

In EvE you stand out (if that's your thing) much more if you are honest than if you just do like everybody else.


In that respect GS have the upper hand. They show how broken EVE is. I'm sure CCP would just as soon see them do it in other ways but it all comes out in the wash.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#146 - 2012-11-18 14:22:44 UTC
Newsflash wrote:
14 freighters/jf suicide ganked in empire last 24h by just handful of ships in every gank. 10 bc do it easily or 20 destroyers... this thing is just escalating by day. ccp time to do something about easiness and huge profit and neglible risk suicideganking these big ships offers.


If it's so easy, why aren't more people doing it?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2012-11-18 14:23:17 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but previously you were stating that it was stupid to carry more than this apparently perceived "limit" - it's not stupid, it's risky.

It's risky until you get ganked, then it's stupid. Lol


Only if you did something stupid. Otherwise, it's just wrong place wrong time.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#148 - 2012-11-18 14:25:52 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Goons are exploiting very old mechanics. Plain and simple.

There's no exploit being utilized.



Development teams implement mechanics in context. Much like your quoting style, you have an adept ability to rip those mechanics out of their context and hack them to death. It's exploit like any use of the definition.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2012-11-18 14:26:05 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Newsflash wrote:
14 freighters/jf suicide ganked in empire last 24h by just handful of ships in every gank. 10 bc do it easily or 20 destroyers... this thing is just escalating by day. ccp time to do something about easiness and huge profit and neglible risk suicideganking these big ships offers.


If it's so easy, why aren't more people doing it?

Because the rest of us aren't antisocial sociopaths with no empathy. Roll

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2012-11-18 14:26:52 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Development teams implement mechanics in context. Much like your quoting style, you have an adept ability to rip those mechanics out of their context and hack them to death. It's exploit like any use of the definition.

Explain to us how it's an exploit, then, and how you would like it to be fixed.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#151 - 2012-11-18 14:27:27 UTC
Ocih wrote:

In that respect GS have the upper hand. They show how broken EVE is. I'm sure CCP would just as soon see them do it in other ways but it all comes out in the wash.


Hmm, what's been the lowest cargo freigther gank done in the last 2 months?
If it's >= 1B then the game is not broken.

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UAxSunShine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2012-11-18 14:30:02 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Correct me if I'm mistaken, but previously you were stating that it was stupid to carry more than this apparently perceived "limit" - it's not stupid, it's risky. There's a difference. If you play smart, you can minimise the risk by either reducing your cargo, or utilising any number of methods for safer transit from one system to another while maintaining the maximum possible cargo.


Sure you could call it "risky" if you so desired, but there is a point where "risky" becomes stupidity. I mean carrying 20billion isk worth of stuff on autopilot is stupidity. Moving 32 plexes in a freighter is stupidity. Carrying 6 months worth of moon goo is stupidity.

Remiel Pollard wrote:

Also, people need to stop translating how people play the game as how people live their real lives - the two are not one and the same. While I agree that freighter pilots need to stop bitching, I stand firmly against your assumption that any one of them is incapable of taking responsibility of their real life. This is just a game, so please try to keep that in mind before you go libelling people expatiously.


The excuse "it's a game" goes out the window once you log into these forums and start complaining about completely legitimate game mechanics that have been around for as long as eve has been running. There is no substantial criticism about the current state of freighter ganking, nor is there people providing viable solutions to the problem. So i stand firmly behind what i said.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2012-11-18 14:33:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
UAxSunShine wrote:


Sure you could call it "risky" if you so desired, but there is a point where "risky" becomes stupidity. I mean carrying 20billion isk worth of stuff on autopilot is stupidity. Moving 32 plexes in a freighter is stupidity. Carrying 6 months worth of moon goo is stupidity.


Yes, carrying large amounts of cargo without minimising the risk is stupid, I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that alone, carrying large amounts of cargo is not stupid, it is high risk. HOW you minimise the risk is what matters, not the size of the risk you choose to take.

UAxSunShine wrote:


The excuse "it's a game" goes out the window once you log into these forums and start complaining about completely legitimate game mechanics that have been around for as long as eve has been running. There is no substantial criticism about the current state of freighter ganking, nor is there people providing viable solutions to the problem. So i stand firmly behind what i said.


Let's get one thing straight here, I'm not making excuses. It's a fact. People are wrong to criticize the game mechanics, but that's all they are - wrong. You have no right to visit the personalities or mental states of people you know nothing about. It is ellitist, immature, and quite frankly unnecessary if you have a good argument to counter their criticism with. What you said about these people was absolutely disgraceful. By making such pithy remarks about people, you are doing your arguments a disservice, and discrediting yourself as a civilised and legitimate member of the EVE community.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#154 - 2012-11-18 14:37:40 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Development teams implement mechanics in context. Much like your quoting style, you have an adept ability to rip those mechanics out of their context and hack them to death. It's exploit like any use of the definition.

Explain to us how it's an exploit, then, and how you would like it to be fixed.


I explained how it's an exploited use of the mechanic.
Ships lose velocity when they are jammed or bumped at a different rate than they gain it. Knowing that you can hold a ship as long as you need to in order to kill it.
You know the entire manufacturing structure of EVE is in Jita due to the proximity to all the technetium, you know anyone not in your NAP train needs to run freighters through Niarja and Eudama. You know that even if the random neutral is caught up in it, none of that matters to you.

You control the game. Because of systems made years ago using an engine that wasn't made to run the EVE it sits on now, you control the game. You manipulate markets, you manipulate T2, you manipulate traffic lanes. CCP are powerless to stop it. They hope for a miracle from the player base but in the end, you control the game.

I don't have a tin foil hat on. I know where EVE was a long time ago. I watched Oursulaert die. Genesis lose its trade hub. I saw BoB get gutted like a fish. I know that POS bashing won Fatal Ascension the rights to Providence and the pipes to the South. I'm pretty sure Fatal Ascension took down U'K. I know the Goonswarm we have now has a grudge with EVE. I know you don't give a flying **** about the game.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2012-11-18 14:38:52 UTC
And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#156 - 2012-11-18 14:42:47 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?


Why, you want to buy him off?

Will it be 10 billion this time around too?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2012-11-18 14:43:51 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Development teams implement mechanics in context. Much like your quoting style, you have an adept ability to rip those mechanics out of their context and hack them to death. It's exploit like any use of the definition.

Explain to us how it's an exploit, then, and how you would like it to be fixed.


I explained how it's an exploited use of the mechanic.
Ships lose velocity when they are jammed or bumped at a different rate than they gain it. Knowing that you can hold a ship as long as you need to in order to kill it.

So, in other words, the only way to "fix this exploit" is to completely remove any and all bumping in the game?

Ocih wrote:
tons of tinfoil


Ocih wrote:
I don't have a tin foil hat on.

Okay, son.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-11-18 14:44:08 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?


Why, you want to buy him off?

Will it be 10 billion this time around too?


I thought you said you WEREN'T wearing a tinfoil hat?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2012-11-18 14:44:44 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?


Why, you want to buy him off?

Will it be 10 billion this time around too?

Buy him off? Buy him off for what? From what I've seen, "he" doesn't even exist.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#160 - 2012-11-18 14:47:40 UTC
You wanted the spot light you got it.

The greatest thing about an EULA is, it pretty much says CCP can make it up as they go. I hate to hate anyone but I know a rat when I see it.