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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#61 - 2012-11-18 12:14:07 UTC
This thread delivers Lol.

CCP Greyscale should fix double wrapping rather sooner than later, since he already decided he would do so eventually.

Remove standings and insurance.
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-11-18 12:14:50 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:


tldr: long winded rant about angry entitlements



No
You hide behind this illusion that EVE is going to become some evil carebear incarnation of itself.
It will be Hello Kitty and Trammel and all this other alarmist, drama queen nonsense. All to justify antisocial behavior in a virtual world because you lack fundamental empathy required to see you are wasting someone elses time.

Don't let the door smack you in the ass.


You must be mad. Lose a freighter lately? Blink


No
Never
Goons have never taken a ship from me and they won't.
This is about empathy. About seeing the frustration they cause other people. I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE but it really isn't about me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#63 - 2012-11-18 12:16:36 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:


No
Never
Goons have never taken a ship from me and they won't.
This is about empathy. About seeing the frustration they cause other people. I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE but it really isn't about me.


In a game in which you can be a pirate why are you so shocked there are pirates?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-11-18 12:17:06 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
No
Never
Goons have never taken a ship from me and they won't.
This is about empathy. About seeing the frustration they cause other people. I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE but it really isn't about me.

Say it.

"If you gank someone in a PVP game, you're a mean and evil person and you should be locked up in an insane asylum for your anti-social behavior".

Say it.

Go on, say it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#65 - 2012-11-18 12:19:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ioci wrote:



Is there something I should know about your account?


I fly megathrons and am a member of one of EVEs most destructive terrorist organisations. I can also provide some rather fun numbers on high sec ganking ativities and I am one of a number of Bat scientists working on the next high sec campain.



What would make your corp return ganking barges again?

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Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-11-18 12:20:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Riddick Liddell
baltec1 wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:


No
Never
Goons have never taken a ship from me and they won't.
This is about empathy. About seeing the frustration they cause other people. I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE but it really isn't about me.


In a game in which you can be a pirate why are you so shocked there are pirates?


Pirates were shot on sight.
You fail to see the point in High Security space.

You are a pirate? Why are you there?

Lord Zim wrote:

Say it.

"If you gank someone in a PVP game, you're a mean and evil person and you should be locked up in an insane asylum for your anti-social behavior".

Say it.

Go on, say it.


Speaking of blowing things out of proportion.

No, I just don't think you belong in this game. You damage its potential.
Alara IonStorm
#67 - 2012-11-18 12:20:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Riddick Liddell wrote:

No
Never
Goons have never taken a ship from me and they won't.

This is about empathy. About seeing the frustration they cause other people. I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE but it really isn't about me.

So instead of teaching people how not to lose ships or how to be financially secure with a lose in a game where with the right asset management you can survive and prosper you instead want to nerf that aspect of the game.

EVE is Darwin on Crack in Space Battleships in a War with a 1000 Player Factions and 4 Empires. There are other games that offer stuff that isn't EVE.
Riddick Liddell wrote:

Pirates were shot on sight.
You fail to see the point in High Security space.

You are a pirate? Why are you there?

The Green Zone in Iraq was safe, why are there Mortors landing?...

People get robbed in first world nations too, they just removed Death as a thing that can happen to victims and assailants and incarceration as a Penalty.

That is why we have a Chaos filled warzone, Central Africa 10 Years Ago with Laser Space Boats.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-11-18 12:20:24 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:


tldr: long winded rant about angry entitlements



No
You hide behind this illusion that EVE is going to become some evil carebear incarnation of itself.
It will be Hello Kitty and Trammel and all this other alarmist, drama queen nonsense. All to justify antisocial behavior in a virtual world because you lack fundamental empathy required to see you are wasting someone elses time.

Don't let the door smack you in the ass.


You must be mad. Lose a freighter lately? Blink


No
Never
Goons have never taken a ship from me and they won't.
This is about empathy. About seeing the frustration they cause other people. I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE but it really isn't about me.


Then, for one, why do you care? Secondly, Goons have never bothered me. Thirdly... I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE, but Goons are players too, and have the exact same mechanics available to them as every other player. FYI, my corp has a freighter pilot who runs stuff in and out of Jita frequently - specifically, a Charon. He's never lost the ship, not once. He's been attacked, even webbed, but never once lost the ship. He's flown the same one coming up on about 3 or 4 months now.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#69 - 2012-11-18 12:23:16 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ioci wrote:



Is there something I should know about your account?


I fly megathrons and am a member of one of EVEs most destructive terrorist organisations. I can also provide some rather fun numbers on high sec ganking ativities and I am one of a number of Bat scientists working on the next high sec campain.



What would make your corp return ganking barges again?


Macks need to have their tank reduced to that of the hulk. Still very tankable but if you fit nothing we can make enough of a profit to make it last over a long enough timescale to make our isk.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-11-18 12:25:29 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Pirates were shot on sight.
You fail to see the point in High Security space.

You are a pirate? Why are you there?

Interestingly, they do get shot. Have you ever seen a gank in hisec where the pirates didn't get shot?

I think you're missing the point of hisec, where it's supposed to be high security, not perfect security.

Riddick Liddell wrote:
No, I just don't think you belong in this game. You damage its potential.

No, I do not. You damage it far more than I do, since you're actually under the illusion hisec is supposed to be perfectly safe, and by god you will whine until CCP caters to you.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2012-11-18 12:26:19 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:


Pirates were shot on sight.
You fail to see the point in High Security space.

You are a pirate? Why are you there?



No I think it is you who does not get high security space. Highsec is not ment to be 100% safe.

As to why we are in high sec? Well good sir, we are are pirates and we want all of that isk.
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-11-18 12:28:13 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Then, for one, why do you care? Secondly, Goons have never bothered me. Thirdly... I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE, but Goons are players too, and have the exact same mechanics available to them as every other player. FYI, my corp has a freighter pilot who runs stuff in and out of Jita frequently - specifically, a Charon. He's never lost the ship, not once. He's been attacked, even webbed, but never once lost the ship. He's flown the same one coming up on about 3 or 4 months now.



Most Goons never leave Deklein. I have no issue with them. I'd have no issue if they chased me out of Deklein. I wouldn't have an issue if they chased me out of some low sec system in Khanid space.

Why do I care?

I've been playing for 7 years. I like EVE. I like it rough and tumble. I just have enough self control to moderate my bad behavior. It's called being an adult.
Alara IonStorm
#73 - 2012-11-18 12:29:14 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

No, I do not. You damage it far more than I do, since you're actually under the illusion hisec is supposed to be perfectly safe, and by god you will whine until CCP caters to you.

I wish the old Super Mario game had Dev's. There was this one level where I always died because there was one space of land between two long pits and I usually fell over the edge.

If Mario had Dev's I could just complain until they move the winning flag right in front of that post. Maybe also start me off at least Big every level.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-11-18 12:30:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Lord Zim wrote:
Have you ever seen a gank in hisec where the pirates didn't get shot?


Actually, yes, I have.

The Talos pilot was afk, and the Thrasher came in and flipped one of his wrecks, then did this. Then I congratulated him on a smooth kill, and he flew away - I had front row seats to the whole thing orbiting in a Breacher at kiting range just incase he came after me.

Serves him right IMHO. AFKers getting ganked is not a huge loss, and they have nothing to complain about if they're AFK when they come under attack. SAME GOES FOR AFK FREIGHTER PILOTS ON AP.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-11-18 12:30:53 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Why do I care?

I've been playing for 7 years. I like EVE. I like it rough and tumble. I just have enough self control to moderate my bad behavior. It's called being an adult.

You know, if you actually wanted to pretend you're "an adult", you would be mature enough to see EVE for what it is, i.e. a dark and harsh world where unconsented PVP happens even in hisec.

Notice the word "high" in hisec, not "perfect". Suck it up.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#76 - 2012-11-18 12:32:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ioci wrote:



Is there something I should know about your account?


I fly megathrons and am a member of one of EVEs most destructive terrorist organisations. I can also provide some rather fun numbers on high sec ganking ativities and I am one of a number of Bat scientists working on the next high sec campain.



What would make your corp return ganking barges again?


Macks need to have their tank reduced to that of the hulk. Still very tankable but if you fit nothing we can make enough of a profit to make it last over a long enough timescale to make our isk.


Let me be more specific.

How much - in terms of ISK would a mass suicide gank event require per average mack killed, considering losing the gank boats, selling the drops etc? IE what's the "deficit"?

I am thinking about sponsoring some Hulkageddon revival but the expense has to be within a budget.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-11-18 12:34:14 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:


Most Goons never leave Deklein. I have no issue with them. I'd have no issue if they chased me out of Deklein. I wouldn't have an issue if they chased me out of some low sec system in Khanid space.

Why do I care?

I've been playing for 7 years. I like EVE. I like it rough and tumble. I just have enough self control to moderate my bad behavior. It's called being an adult.


How one plays this game does not in any way reflect their maturity levels. Let's not go making that mistake. There is no such thing as "bad behaviour" in New Eden - it as an alternate virtual reality that has no bearing on the real world. If you want to make passive references to someone else's RL maturity without knowing anything about them to begin with, then I would suggest it is you that has some growing up to do.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-11-18 12:35:37 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Why do I care?

I've been playing for 7 years. I like EVE. I like it rough and tumble. I just have enough self control to moderate my bad behavior. It's called being an adult.

You know, if you actually wanted to pretend you're "an adult", you would be mature enough to see EVE for what it is, i.e. a dark and harsh world where unconsented PVP happens even in hisec.

Notice the word "high" in hisec, not "perfect". Suck it up.


And I still make more sense than you, clinging to this half baked idea that EVE can work when people don't use self control to restrict the damage they do. I'm out numbered here, being ganked in to the ground and while I do care, not enough to fight battles CCP have chosen not to fight.

If it's OK with them, it's OK with me. You still missed the point in me debating you. Maybe EVE is healthy as a horse. If so, carry on. Maybe this is what they want.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2012-11-18 12:37:09 UTC
I don't really get what all the hubbub is about Goons, anyway.

Goons never shot at me until I became their ally.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#80 - 2012-11-18 12:37:27 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Let me be more specific.

How much - in terms of ISK would a mass suicide gank event require per average mack killed, considering losing the gank boats, selling the drops etc? IE what's the "deficit"?

I am thinking about sponsoring some Hulkageddon revival but the expense has to be within a budget.


10 to 20 million per mack when attacking them in a 0.7 system which is where most of them live.

Hulks need no subsity.