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Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-11-18 11:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Riddick Liddell
Lord Zim wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
It isn't about EHP. It's about bump mechanics. Speaking of Hello Kittie, not like Bumping someone to death isn't as fruity as it gets.

So, what, you want bumping to be removed from the game too, now?


Or countered.

In addition, the claim was it was too easy to do High Sec incursions, they had to be balanced.
It was to easy to farm LP in FW. It needed to be balanced.

It's too easy to hold a freighter or other slow to warp ship using bump mechanics. It needs to balanced.
Or does that not apply when it's your Kill Mail gravy train on the line?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2012-11-18 11:27:00 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:


Or countered.



Use webs?
Nar Zandev
Epidemic Inc.
#43 - 2012-11-18 11:27:34 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:


You can scout yourself, web yourself, and fly safer loads. Ball has actually been in your court the entire time.


So you`ve seen the balls up close then. Please then tell us what you`ve already said one more time, with your mouth full, 400 mil gank, is able to push down 1.5-5 bil ship in high sec just for lolz.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17641147

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17644123

And these are only a couple of lolz killz :D. I don`t feel sorry for them. Ppl should fly only things they can afford to loose. But still a 400 mil gank vs 1.5 bil, the rates don`t match.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-11-18 11:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
It isn't about EHP. It's about bump mechanics. Speaking of Hello Kittie, not like Bumping someone to death isn't as fruity as it gets.

So, what, you want bumping to be removed from the game too, now?


Or countered.

So I hear there's this thing called "corps can shoot people who aggress other people from your corp". And since people have whined long and hard about EVE Online not being kitty online enough, or that they really, really want EVE Online: Trammel, CCP are bringing out Retribution with Crimewatch 2.0, which enables everyone to shoot at anyone who do anything illegal.

And still, this is not enough? Do CCP have to remove any and all player interaction from hisec before people like you'll stop whining? Do we really have to turn hisec into Trammel/Hello Kitty before you'll be satisfied?

Riddick Liddell wrote:
In addition, the claim was it was too easy to do High Sec incursions, they had to be balanced.
It was to easy to farm LP in FW. It needed to be balanced.

Hisec incursions were an easy and risk-free 120M/hour, FW LP farming were an easy 600M/hour. Are you actually going to whine about that?

Riddick Liddell wrote:
It's too easy to hold a freighter or other slow to warp ship using bump mechanics. It needs to balanced.
Or does that not apply when it's your Kill Mail gravy train on the line?

So what do you suggest as a counter, then?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2012-11-18 11:32:37 UTC
Nar Zandev wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:


You can scout yourself, web yourself, and fly safer loads. Ball has actually been in your court the entire time.


So you`ve seen the balls up close then. Please then tell us what you`ve already said one more time, with your mouth full, 400 mil gank, is able to push down 1.5-5 bil ship in high sec just for lolz.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17641147

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17644123

And these are only a couple of lolz killz :D. I don`t feel sorry for them. Ppl should fly only things they can afford to loose. But still a 400 mil gank vs 1.5 bil, the rates don`t match.


A ships tank should never be based upon their isk value. Hence why the vindicator doesn't tank 7 times that of a megathron.
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-11-18 11:34:43 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
It isn't about EHP. It's about bump mechanics. Speaking of Hello Kittie, not like Bumping someone to death isn't as fruity as it gets.

So, what, you want bumping to be removed from the game too, now?


Or countered.

So I hear there's this thing called "corps can shoot people who aggress other people from your corp". And since people have whined long and hard about EVE Online not being kitty online enough, or that they really, really want EVE Online: Trammel, CCP are bringing out Retribution with Crimewatch 2.0, which enables everyone to shoot at anyone who do anything illegal.

And still, this is not enough? Do CCP have to remove any and all player interaction from hisec before people like you'll stop whining? Do we really have to turn hisec into Trammel/Hello Kitty before you'll be satisfied?


Are you really that hell bent on making EVE so unattractive to all but the extreme minimum it takes to keep the servers up?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-11-18 11:35:40 UTC
Nar Zandev wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:


You can scout yourself, web yourself, and fly safer loads. Ball has actually been in your court the entire time.


So you`ve seen the balls up close then. Please then tell us what you`ve already said one more time, with your mouth full, 400 mil gank, is able to push down 1.5-5 bil ship in high sec just for lolz.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17641147

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17644123

And these are only a couple of lolz killz :D. I don`t feel sorry for them. Ppl should fly only things they can afford to loose. But still a 400 mil gank vs 1.5 bil, the rates don`t match.

Do you have any idea what's inside that plastic wrap? Any idea at all? No?

I bet baltec does.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-11-18 11:38:04 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Are you really that hell bent on making EVE so unattractive to all but the extreme minimum it takes to keep the servers up?

You seem to be hellbent on presenting the ganking of a few ships as oh god this will kill eve. This is a fallacy.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Nar Zandev
Epidemic Inc.
#49 - 2012-11-18 11:43:44 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

Do you have any idea what's inside that plastic wrap? Any idea at all? No?

I bet baltec does.


I bet he does :)). I do feel kind of sorry for those guys. This is why I think that there should be more isk involved for these kind of losses.

But who am I to weep for those rich bastards that think a ship can secure their asses.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2012-11-18 11:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Lord Zim wrote:


I bet baltec does.


Isotopes I belive. We gambled and lost on that rhea unfortunatly. However more number to follow.
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-11-18 11:47:03 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Are you really that hell bent on making EVE so unattractive to all but the extreme minimum it takes to keep the servers up?

You seem to be hellbent on presenting the ganking of a few ships as oh god this will kill eve. This is a fallacy.


To some degree but EVE is an old game and has a very bad reputation for being full of antisocial misfits. Like you.

You damage EVE when EVE needs new blood. You are selfish. You could be in any 0.0 sec doing roams, not to take Sov, just for PvP. No, you chose to sit in one system and exploit human flaw and ruin a game for others. You won't be missed. You won't be welcome in any other MMO either. They would put you out on your ear in the blink of an eye.

You twist EVE in to something it wasn't supposed to be. A place with a complete lack of common sense or dignity.

Keep your stuff. Donate it to one of the people you griefed.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2012-11-18 11:53:04 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:


To some degree but EVE is an old game and has a very bad reputation for being full of antisocial misfits. Like you.

You damage EVE when EVE needs new blood. You are selfish. You could be in any 0.0 sec doing roams, not to take Sov, just for PvP. No, you chose to sit in one system and exploit human flaw and ruin a game for others. You won't be missed. You won't be welcome in any other MMO either. They would put you out on your ear in the blink of an eye.

You twist EVE in to something it wasn't supposed to be. A place with a complete lack of common sense or dignity.

Keep your stuff. Donate it to one of the people you griefed.


Im sorry did you just say that EVE, a game not only designed as a place where scamming, ganking and piracy is ment to happen but praised by CCP, the people that make this gloriously terrible game, is not ment to have piracy ganking and scamming?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-11-18 11:54:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Are you really that hell bent on making EVE so unattractive to all but the extreme minimum it takes to keep the servers up?

You seem to be hellbent on presenting the ganking of a few ships as oh god this will kill eve. This is a fallacy.


To some degree but EVE is an old game and has a very bad reputation for being full of antisocial misfits. Like you.

Oh come on, you can do better than that, you can go on and outright say I'm a sociopath for blowing up ships.

In a PVP-focused game.

Riddick Liddell wrote:
You damage EVE when EVE needs new blood. You are selfish. You could be in any 0.0 sec doing roams, not to take Sov, just for PvP. No, you chose to sit in one system and exploit human flaw and ruin a game for others. You won't be missed. You won't be welcome in any other MMO either. They would put you out on your ear in the blink of an eye.

Freighters aren't "new blood". Stop being a drama queen.

Riddick Liddell wrote:
You twist EVE in to something it wasn't supposed to be. A place with a complete lack of common sense or dignity.

Whine some more, and you'll get your wish of turning EVE Online from a cutthroat game into EVE Online: Trammel, where people play in hisec just to see their isk ticker going up. Imagine the audacity that someone should be able to lose a ship!

And I guess scamming, theft etc are next on your whinelist, right?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alara IonStorm
#54 - 2012-11-18 12:01:17 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

Riddick Liddell wrote:
No, you chose to sit in one system and exploit human flaw and ruin a game for others. You won't be missed. You won't be welcome in any other MMO either. They would put you out on your ear in the blink of an eye.

Freighters aren't "new blood". Stop being a drama queen.

This.

Pop a newbie Ibis carrying newbie valuables (Not an obvious alt carrying billions) get a warning. Keep targeting week old players for no real gain who are still trying to figure out what a Micro Warp Drive does and how rigs work then you should get banned. I am happy about that, I think they should put more into stopping people like that.

If you are flying the highest Capital class of the hauling profession you should know the threats and not fly what you can afford to lose.

Plain and simple.
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-11-18 12:04:23 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:


tldr: long winded rant about angry entitlements



No
You hide behind this illusion that EVE is going to become some evil carebear incarnation of itself.
It will be Hello Kitty and Trammel and all this other alarmist, drama queen nonsense. All to justify antisocial behavior in a virtual world because you lack fundamental empathy required to see you are wasting someone elses time.

Don't let the door smack you in the ass.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-11-18 12:09:22 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:


tldr: long winded rant about angry entitlements



No
You hide behind this illusion that EVE is going to become some evil carebear incarnation of itself.

So you're trying to say that 10+ people shouldn't be able to bring down a single ship which is hauling billions of isk worth of stuff with absolutely no protection, and that this wouldn't remove one of what has been the cornerstones of EVE for the better part of 10 years?

Riddick Liddell wrote:
It will be Hello Kitty and Trammel and all this other alarmist, drama queen nonsense. All to justify antisocial behavior in a virtual world because you lack fundamental empathy required to see you are wasting someone elses time.

Oh come on, say it. Say I'm a sociopath, instead of skirting around the word like this. You know you can do it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-11-18 12:10:18 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:


tldr: long winded rant about angry entitlements



No
You hide behind this illusion that EVE is going to become some evil carebear incarnation of itself.
It will be Hello Kitty and Trammel and all this other alarmist, drama queen nonsense. All to justify antisocial behavior in a virtual world because you lack fundamental empathy required to see you are wasting someone elses time.

Don't let the door smack you in the ass.


You must be mad. Lose a freighter lately? Blink

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2012-11-18 12:10:34 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:


tldr: long winded rant about angry entitlements



No
You hide behind this illusion that EVE is going to become some evil carebear incarnation of itself.
It will be Hello Kitty and Trammel and all this other alarmist, drama queen nonsense. All to justify antisocial behavior in a virtual world because you lack fundamental empathy required to see you are wasting someone elses time.

Don't let the door smack you in the ass.


It will become an evil carebare incarnation if people such as yourself get your way. CCP have already tried to nerf stupidity when they upgraded the mining barges. People still fly stupid in them but thats ok because there is no isk to be made in blowing them up anymore!

So we ended up with two lines of piracy all but removed, even more afk barges with no defencive mods fitted at all and a barge lineup just as unbalanced as before. Yep, sounds great for a game that sells itself as a dark, cold and harsh universe.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-11-18 12:11:30 UTC
Incidentally, I'm still waiting for a link to the killmail of that supposed "all trit freighter" which was supposedly killed yesterday.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alara IonStorm
#60 - 2012-11-18 12:13:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Lord Zim wrote:

Oh come on, say it. Say I'm a sociopath, instead of skirting around the word like this. You know you can do it.

Yes, you truly are an ebil person and as we know by every movie ever made an antagonist just make the movie worse.

The original Star wars Trilogy could have been a great story about a kid who does moisture farming for a year and joins Piloting School but then along comes Darth Vader to ruin the movie.

Go twirl your mustache in shame.