EVE General Discussion

Mostly this, partly the barriers just getting down there, partly the inability to get or hold your own sov as its pretty much all claimed.

I have no issue with getting killed, if I were going there Id *gasp* fly things I could afford to lose. Just like I do any time Im going into 0.0. Another part of it (maybe this is me finding ****** corps) is being a cockroach in your own "sov". A neut flies into system and its like someone flicked on the lights as all the cockroaches in system warp to the POS.
And I dont think 0.0 should be made safe, I just dont like the play style

The ingame corp and alliances size have little effect on players' ability to coordinate huge coalitions. You'd have to eliminate the ability to set set standings.

Great post. As someone who lives in nullsec, I couldn't agree with you more. I think a lot of us would agree with you. It's just too easy to project power over huge swathes of space and the income is too easily controlled by these small but hyperinfluential power groups. Everything just needs to be spread out.

Interesting words.

Many years ago people left their homelands in Europe - places and people they knew, even their own families - to come to America and be a pioneer.

Why?

Europe at the time was repressive and for many, poor. They were already ruled under someone else's thumb for the most part if they had anything to lose and if they had nothing, they lived in poverty.

So, while I am not trying to make yet another RL comparison with Eve but rather a "what motivates people to endure discomfort" assertion, we can make the comparison between one place and the other and see that what America prior to 1912 had to offer was still better than what many in their homelands already had offered to them.


Right now, it appears a bit reversed.


Basically, the one motivator that most of us here can agree on was the "land of opportunity" .

"land of opportunity" - that was the draw.

But where is there more opportinity in Eve?

Right now it's inverted. If America prior to 1912 was fully owned and cartelized like 0.0 before it was populated, it would not have been populated. Being a poor Irishman in Ireland or impoverished farmer in Italy would have been much better than:
- going where you have to choose preselected known routes where everybody so inclined to kill you will know where to look and when to wait.
- going where you will work the land but not own any of it and can be ordered off it on short notice if not shot without warning for being on it.
- ending up back home with nothing and all your time wasted and you're not getting younger.
- being expected by your landlords to drop what you are doing and be cannon fodder while financing your slavery (Who wants to be a Prussian?).
- going from scraping your existing off rocks (literally) to not even having rocks.


People vote with their feet. When country A sucks, and country B allows you to benefit from your labors (see "Human Action" my Mises) people will go to Country B.

Right now 0.0 is country A to everybody except those who are making it that way. To them we "don't know what we are talking about" but that does not matter: we know enough not to live there.

Malcanis, 666 likes, that will not do! Consider yourself griefed. :)

How to change Nullsec to encourage people to venture out.

Make 0.0 more inclusive to all types of players. Accomplishing this would require changing quite a few things but I believe it would make Eve as a whole more dynamic and immersive.

1 ) Giant Carrot - I think by giving different areas of eve bonuses to certain activities would greatly increase interaction and immersion for the whole game. I define Empire as a trade commerce zone. Low-Sec as a darker Industrial zone complete with black markets and organized crime. Whereas Null-Sec /WH is like the rural outlying areas where farms , mines , timber etc are harvested.


Global - Reduce Efficiency of Production / Mining / Research/Copy /Invention *REMOVE* Moon Harvesters

Introduce - Mobile Harvesting Platform Ship ( think rorq it sieges on a moon or comet and extracts moon goo. The goo is stored in a temp bay *Bay only available in siege*) Haulers/Orcas/Rorq's then move the produced product to POS/Station or etc.

Comet Miner - A new mining class vessel w/T2 variant that is designed to mine from comets.

High-Sec - Give bonuses to Invention / Copy / Research. Make it so a player can have more market orders in high sec versus any other area of the game.


Low Sec - Give Bonuses to production material/time. Create a interface that allows purchasing protection contracts. Where production groups can hire FW groups or pirate/anti-pirate groups to protect there transiting goods. Increase the array of boosters available and make trading and producing them enhanced in lowsec.

Faction Warfare - Each faction controls a set of space that space is policed by the NPC faction Navy. NPC Faction Navy will not shoot those aligned with that faction .

Example - Amarr Faction Warfare pilots , Productionist/ Industrialist aligned to the Amarr empire will not be shot by NPC Navy in Amarr space. Those unaligned will be shot by faction navy gate guns and station guns. Basically each and every pilot will choose a faction in which they are aligned default would be your born race.

A Factions space they control can shrink or expand based off of activities. The more production line utilized. More market orders. Control bunkers controlled . Conversely if a faction is heavily raided bunkers destroyed logistics interdicted industrialist vandalized/killed/griefed out the space detracts. When a area detracts and swaps from Amarr to Minny (example) Minny players gain the ability to produce in the area and Amarr lose the ability. Faction Navy's swap out and the Amarr players have 2 choices. 1 pay tribute to join the faction that has conquered there home and capitulate to that faction. 2 move to a system there faction does control or work to regain the system for there faction.

Pirates - Can be the fly in the ointment wherever they choose. They can also sell standings via contract that players or groups can purchase from the contract system. In order to use the contract system pirate groups would have to post a bond that would be expensive ( 5 billion ). Pirates could be hired by factions to raid or generally salt the earth of a opposing faction. FW groups could hire pirate groups via the contract system to target specific areas or systems.

The overarching strategy for low-sec would be to give incentive for production to take place in low sec. In order to accomplish this without every poor industrialist/productionist being ganked the residents residing in the area would benefit from creating a environment in which encourages safety for these industrialist. Coupled with this it gives meaningfull reasons for faction warfare groups to exist and to conquer/defend whilst giving pirates a real reason to exist and the potential to be the "Pain in the Arse" or " The Scum you hire to get the job done" of low-sec.

Null - Sec Mining is greatly enhanced in Null - Sec and comets are available here. Gone are passive isk generators of Eve. Null - Sec becomes the fields the forest and the mines of Eve. Groups in 0.0 will have a vested interest to being inclusive to a wider array of player types. You will want/need PVP'rs / Miners / Logisticians and since your economies are based around harvesting of raw materials you will want to protect those individuals/groups that engage in the harvesting and collection of said goods so your corp/alliance can thrive. Conversely other groups will seek opportunities of entertainment to destroy / interdict and disrupt opponents for shear enjoyment or more devious motivations.

Sov - Changes - Ihubs and Stations are no longer capture points of SOV. Ihubs only store upgrades and are worth sov points on the sliding scale of control of a star system. Sovereignty moves to a sliding scale much like Incursion control of a system. Things that influence control are Ihub , Stations , Control Bunkers ,System Usage ( ratting , DED site usage , belt mining , market usage , reactions , production ). Basically any improvement or utilization of a system effects the strength of the sovereign claim of a system. Taking of a system means more than showing up with TCU and Ihub or conversley dropping SBU's and a blob/supers on 3-4 timers. Invading forces will have to stop activities that effect sov index and destroy sov point influencing structures.

While there are numerous grand comments and ideas on how to alleviate this problem, unless there is a way to... I do not want to say "mature", but unless there is a change of the players' mentality, anything added or altered will boil down to one mind set: how can this be abused, controlled, destroyed, or griefed. Unless the core aspect to this game is changed, the only reason to create is to have it destroyed, not to flourish and grow. And even if CCP changed aspects to have concrete rules (such as x players in a corporation as a maximum), players as a whole will still attempt to circumvent them to their benefit.

Whoever says that it is NULL-sec to be boosted probably has to make a trip into LOW.

ffs

Haeh don't get what you want to say, I was just referring to the goon which quoted me, never happened before.

Hm a little bit paranoid so you must be a W-space dweller


I consider this a very good thread, hope the devs are reading it

Then "Eve" is your problem with Eve. Fortunately the vast majority of people just need the right transitioning for them to break the mold of their ideas of what a video game should be and come to appreciate the utterly unique value of Eve.

The remaining small percentage of you can continue to play an absolutely awful version of space warcraft....for some unfathomable reason.