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[Winter] Attack Cruisers

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Deena Amaj
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#921 - 2012-11-13 12:23:15 UTC
Makes sense to me, too, the cap drawback. After all, AB is already cap friendly and a cap drawback could still be under the horrendous MWD consumption (not to mention the overall cap reduction by MWD alone)

Anyhow, I will toss this on the list of propulsion ideas and post a seperate thread. Or toss it on the module sticky. Before this thread dies on Dec4th =).

Since such a little demand on AB could prove too much of a headache, I will simply suggest a third prop mod with this feature too.

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Ningishzida
Proxima Fleet Systems
#922 - 2012-11-13 14:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ningishzida
I'm on Buckingham, playing with the rebalanced cruisers.


The Omen and Maller. Two ships with the same slot layout that says: "Armor tank + 5 focused Medium Pulse Lasers". The Maller just does it better. Tell me why I should fly an Omen now.

The Stabber feels by FAR the weakest of all the T1 cruisers. It's speed doesn't make up for the lack in dps and tank, IMO. Needs more dps or something. Having to mix guns and missiles is just.. meh. I'd rather have a 5th turret and fit a neut.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#923 - 2012-11-13 18:52:32 UTC
Ningishzida wrote:
I'd rather have a 5th turret and fit a neut.

Of course you'd rather fit a neut ! Who wouldn't ?!
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#924 - 2012-11-13 18:59:40 UTC
perhaps stacking the falloff with the ROF and then adding a missile ROF bonus might make using missiles on it worthwhile along with a dronebay it needs.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#925 - 2012-11-13 20:35:38 UTC
Ningishzida wrote:
I'm on Buckingham, playing with the rebalanced cruisers.


The Omen and Maller. Two ships with the same slot layout that says: "Armor tank + 5 focused Medium Pulse Lasers". The Maller just does it better. Tell me why I should fly an Omen now.

The Stabber feels by FAR the weakest of all the T1 cruisers. It's speed doesn't make up for the lack in dps and tank, IMO. Needs more dps or something. Having to mix guns and missiles is just.. meh. I'd rather have a 5th turret and fit a neut.



Because the omen is better.

It is fast enough to stay in lolscorch range long enough to tilt the fight in its favor.

The Maller doesn't, thus can't track **** and caps out from THINKING about shooting its guns.

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Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#926 - 2012-11-14 18:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Markku Laaksonen
Can the Caracal rate of fire bonus be changed to an equivalent missile damage bonus for all types?

Edited: fixed a typo

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Meldorn Vaash
State War Academy
Caldari State
#927 - 2012-11-14 19:06:02 UTC
Fozzie,

Are you still evaluating and tweaking ships at this point or have you locked everything down for Retribution's deployment? Your dev blog seems to suggest you're done for now.
"Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes."
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#928 - 2012-11-14 22:12:03 UTC
The stabber is quite lackluster compared to the other attack cruisers.

I think it should get something like 10% reduction in mwd signature penalty/level (at cruiser V its the same bonus assault frigates get).

It still loses to the other cruisers, but this bonus turns it into a tr3 bc murderer.
Perihelion Olenard
#929 - 2012-11-16 18:52:07 UTC
Is the mineral cost of the thorax being reduced so it doesn't unnecessarily cost more isk than the others?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#930 - 2012-11-16 22:32:58 UTC
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
Is the mineral cost of the thorax being reduced so it doesn't unnecessarily cost more isk than the others?

After the patch the ships will all cost about the same.....
Most likely they will do what they have been doing and they will all cost about the same as the "top tier" ship, which means the thorax will not be reduced in minerals the rest will see a mineral increase

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Lavitakus Bromier
WTF Bunnies
#931 - 2012-11-17 00:14:18 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Ningishzida wrote:
I'm on Buckingham, playing with the rebalanced cruisers.


The Omen and Maller. Two ships with the same slot layout that says: "Armor tank + 5 focused Medium Pulse Lasers". The Maller just does it better. Tell me why I should fly an Omen now.

The Stabber feels by FAR the weakest of all the T1 cruisers. It's speed doesn't make up for the lack in dps and tank, IMO. Needs more dps or something. Having to mix guns and missiles is just.. meh. I'd rather have a 5th turret and fit a neut.



Because the omen is better.

It is fast enough to stay in lolscorch range long enough to tilt the fight in its favor.

The Maller doesn't, thus can't track **** and caps out from THINKING about shooting its guns.


There still so similar. I'd like to see the omen with rof + ab bonus maybe. Or rof and something else to hlp it squeeze more damage then the maller.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#932 - 2012-11-17 03:02:11 UTC
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Ningishzida wrote:
I'm on Buckingham, playing with the rebalanced cruisers.


The Omen and Maller. Two ships with the same slot layout that says: "Armor tank + 5 focused Medium Pulse Lasers". The Maller just does it better. Tell me why I should fly an Omen now.

The Stabber feels by FAR the weakest of all the T1 cruisers. It's speed doesn't make up for the lack in dps and tank, IMO. Needs more dps or something. Having to mix guns and missiles is just.. meh. I'd rather have a 5th turret and fit a neut.



Because the omen is better.

It is fast enough to stay in lolscorch range long enough to tilt the fight in its favor.

The Maller doesn't, thus can't track **** and caps out from THINKING about shooting its guns.


There still so similar. I'd like to see the omen with rof + ab bonus maybe. Or rof and something else to hlp it squeeze more damage then the maller.



Put Beams on it and enjoy shooting blue lazors.

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Meldorn Vaash
State War Academy
Caldari State
#933 - 2012-11-17 20:59:57 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Ningishzida wrote:
I'm on Buckingham, playing with the rebalanced cruisers.


The Omen and Maller. Two ships with the same slot layout that says: "Armor tank + 5 focused Medium Pulse Lasers". The Maller just does it better. Tell me why I should fly an Omen now.

The Stabber feels by FAR the weakest of all the T1 cruisers. It's speed doesn't make up for the lack in dps and tank, IMO. Needs more dps or something. Having to mix guns and missiles is just.. meh. I'd rather have a 5th turret and fit a neut.



Because the omen is better.

It is fast enough to stay in lolscorch range long enough to tilt the fight in its favor.

The Maller doesn't, thus can't track **** and caps out from THINKING about shooting its guns.


There still so similar. I'd like to see the omen with rof + ab bonus maybe. Or rof and something else to hlp it squeeze more damage then the maller.



Put Beams on it and enjoy shooting blue lazors.


I like the pretty lights....

I think the Omen needs a touch more speed... feels pretty damn slow with plate and rigs... 
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Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#934 - 2012-11-17 23:35:12 UTC
Hey guys. Great changes to the cruisers. Are the faction versions being overlooked at all? The Thorax is now basically a lesser Vigilant with an extremely similar slot layout.

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Aglais
Ice-Storm
#935 - 2012-11-18 01:19:43 UTC
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
Hey guys. Great changes to the cruisers. Are the faction versions being overlooked at all? The Thorax is now basically a lesser Vigilant with an extremely similar slot layout.


I can guarantee that faction and T2 ships are going to be rebalanced around this. What I'm hoping for though, is that T2 ships remain specialists- That is to say, they're stunning in given roles, but there's still reasons to use T1 over them in other areas.

Unlike some of the current happenings in which you need several billion ISK to reliably PvP, because all you can really do is fly HACs and etc. to PvP in a "serious" fashion. Definitely, keep T2 ships relevant, but having them be the primary force? This is silly.

Faction ships, however, I can see being allowed to be better than T1 and possibly T2 (due to the fact that they'd still be more 'generalist' ships), especially pirate faction ones, given their difficulty and danger of obtaining.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#936 - 2012-11-18 02:33:34 UTC
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
Hey guys. Great changes to the cruisers. Are the faction versions being overlooked at all? The Thorax is now basically a lesser Vigilant with an extremely similar slot layout.


I must have missed the thorax having a web bonus
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#937 - 2012-11-18 03:44:51 UTC
Omen .....
5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret rate of fire, please, for the love of every pagan god change this to 5% bonus to medium Energy Turret damage.

My capacitor begs you. o.0

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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#938 - 2012-11-23 11:44:52 UTC
Fit cap rigs if you want to be cap stable... You don't need it for anything but missions.
RoF makes the Omen stronger for the players able to balance their cap - It's a game and I find it fine for people to run out of cap and die if they don't play carefully. Good luck - I'll enjoy the Omen as it is...
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#939 - 2012-11-23 13:49:15 UTC
Meldorn Vaash wrote:
Fozzie,

Are you still evaluating and tweaking ships at this point or have you locked everything down for Retribution's deployment? Your dev blog seems to suggest you're done for now.


At this point we're generally in bugfix and polish mode for Retri, although we do have lots of chances to tweak things in the new year if we see the need once they're all out in the wild.

This is more ships than we've ever rebalanced at once so we're going into it expecting that there will need to be some follow-up.

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#940 - 2012-11-23 13:57:04 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Meldorn Vaash wrote:
Fozzie,

Are you still evaluating and tweaking ships at this point or have you locked everything down for Retribution's deployment? Your dev blog seems to suggest you're done for now.


At this point we're generally in bugfix and polish mode for Retri, although we do have lots of chances to tweak things in the new year if we see the need once they're all out in the wild.

This is more ships than we've ever rebalanced at once so we're going into it expecting that there will need to be some follow-up.


That's nice to know as i expect the stabber will need a dronebay again at some point :)

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using