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Miner bumping. A carebear activity?

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#1 - 2012-11-17 19:20:43 UTC
Hello,

I dont mine myself, but you will occasionally see someone asking for mining permits in local etc. I understand there are alot of people doing it. I dont know if its actually profitable, or you are able to make any decent amount of money off of it. I know some people whos making a lot tho, but w/e.

Well i would like to explain shortly what i believe a carebear is. And i believe its someone who does something at no risk, no effort and possibly cost very little to do.

If we look at mining bumping we will see that it actually cost very little to do, all you need is a stabber+MWD basically. It is very safe, since its done in high-sec. And it takes very little effort -get bumping ship, find high-sec Ice belt and you are set. On top of that there is no actual counter to it.

Basically miner bumping is a carebear activity

o/
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2012-11-17 19:29:23 UTC
I wonder. Is “I'm not a miner, but…” the EVE equivalent of “I'm not a racist, but…” and should it be reinterpreted in the same way?
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#3 - 2012-11-17 19:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Souisa
I dont care what people do, but miner bumping is more of a carebear activity than mining is

o/
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2012-11-17 19:31:37 UTC
Give us back profitable barges to gank and we will return to the more manly farming of daft miners.
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#5 - 2012-11-17 19:32:31 UTC
Griefing is not very manly

o/
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-11-17 19:33:24 UTC
It really doesn't matter whether it's a carebear activity or not.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2012-11-17 19:33:52 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Griefing is not very manly
What does that have to do with anything?
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#8 - 2012-11-17 19:34:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Souisa wrote:
Griefing is not very manly
What does that have to do with anything?


Dont you agree? :)

o/
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2012-11-17 19:36:16 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Dont you agree? :)
Who cares. What I'm wondering is why you're making off-topic posts in your own thread. It makes no sense.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#10 - 2012-11-17 19:38:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
I wonder. Is “I'm not a miner, but…” the EVE equivalent of “I'm not a racist, but…” and should it be reinterpreted in the same way?


If by 'interpreted the same way' you mean it being a weak pretense to dismiss everything else they say, then i'd have to go with it only being acceptable if you're ignorant.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#11 - 2012-11-17 19:39:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Souisa wrote:
Dont you agree? :)
Who cares. What I'm wondering is why you're making off-topic posts in your own thread. It makes no sense.

Do you have baltec1 blocked? seems like a perfectly acceptable response.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#12 - 2012-11-17 19:40:32 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Griefing is not very manly

OK

Luckily CCP Falcon clearly stated:
CCP Falcon wrote:
So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:

Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.

However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:

Bumping is not considered harassment.
Bumping is not considered griefing.
Bumping is not against the rules.


It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.

Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.

There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination.


So fortunately there's no actual griefing happening here.

There wasn't when ganking miners was prevalent, either, as there was a potential profit to be had.

Hiding in high-sec under the assumption of CONCORD protection, however, isn't very manly at all.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#13 - 2012-11-17 19:44:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Darth Gustav wrote:

So fortunately there's no actual griefing happening here.

He wasn't talking about bumping though in that quote, it was in response to miner ganking if it was profitable again.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#14 - 2012-11-17 19:45:35 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

So fortunately there's no actual griefing happening here.

He wasnt talking about bumping though, it was in response to miner ganking not being manly.

He can read the parts of my post you didn't quote, then.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Jantunen the Infernal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-11-17 19:45:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jantunen the Infernal
Griefing is manly as hell. From the beginning of time the strong have been stomping the weak into submission. This tradition continues with the bumping and ganking of miners and other risk-averse carebears who cannot be bothered or lack the cognitive capacity to evolve their tactics and defend themselves from simple and easily avoidable threats.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2012-11-17 19:45:51 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
If by 'interpreted the same way' you mean it being a weak pretense to dismiss everything else they say, then i'd have to go with it only being acceptable if you're ignorant.
No, I mean that any time you hear “I'm not X, but…” you can safely reinterpret it as “I am X, and…” to get a much more truthful grasp of what they want to say.

Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Do you have baltec1 blocked?
Of course not. What does that have to do with the OP posting off topic in his own thread?
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#17 - 2012-11-17 19:46:31 UTC
Jantunen the Infernal wrote:
Griefing is manly as hell. From the beginning of time the strong have been stomping the weak into submission. This tradition continues with the bumping and ganking of miners and other risk-averse carebears.

Which aren't classified as griefing by CCP.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-11-17 19:52:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
I wonder. Is “I'm not a miner, but…” the EVE equivalent of “I'm not a racist, but…” and should it be reinterpreted in the same way?



I more wonder if "I am not a miner, but...." means actually "I am really effected and need to bring topic X to the forums for the n-th time!".

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Dave Stark
#19 - 2012-11-17 19:56:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Give us back profitable barges to gank and we will return to the more manly farming of daft miners.

and there was me thinking you'd have reinvested that profit in some bigger guns.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#20 - 2012-11-17 19:58:53 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Give us back profitable barges to gank and we will return to the more manly farming of daft miners.

and there was me thinking you'd have reinvested that profit in some bigger guns.

Destroyers can only fit small guns. Even the biggest small guns are still small.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
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