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Goons - two years on the tech moons - how you guys feel about that, question about game future

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#341 - 2012-11-17 10:43:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Lord Zim wrote:
What do you mean, you're getting tons of devposts. We're devswarm federation, after all.

Issleer

Why haven't devswarm taken measures to cap ISK faucets like moongoo?

Issler

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#342 - 2012-11-17 10:51:22 UTC
You are responsible for making your own game better, just like the rest of us. You told the guy who said go take tec for yourself to stay on topic, but he was, he was exactly on topic; you are crying that goons hold lots of tec for two years, he suggested you go and take it off them. Perfectly on topic.

How do I feel about it? I dont care. Tec isnt the be all and end all of isk making, it takes a huge amount of logistics, it is risky because tec moons are an obvious target and hauling the stuff around is risky. Personally Id rather not have tec to worry about.

The only people who decry moon goo income as an easy isk faucet are teh ones who have never had to actually manage moons, it takes effort, security, time and plenty of isk to start up, just like every other venture in Eve.

TL;DR Stop crying and do something about it yourself instead of asking ccp to do it for you. Again.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#343 - 2012-11-17 10:54:07 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
You are responsible for making your own game better, just like the rest of us. You told the guy who said go take tec for yourself to stay on topic, but he was, he was exactly on topic; you are crying that goons hold lots of tec for two years, he suggested you go and take it off them. Perfectly on topic.

How do I feel about it? I dont care. Tec isnt the be all and end all of isk making, it takes a huge amount of logistics, it is risky because tec moons are an obvious target and hauling the stuff around is risky. Personally Id rather not have tec to worry about.

The only people who decry moon goo income as an easy isk faucet are teh ones who have never had to actually manage moons, it takes effort, security, time and plenty of isk to start up, just like every other venture in Eve.

TL;DR Stop crying and do something about it yourself instead of asking ccp to do it for you. Again.

Hi Rico!

You forgot to sign your post

Issler

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#344 - 2012-11-17 11:18:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Keen Fallsword
Rico Minali wrote:
You are responsible for making your own game better, just like the rest of us. You told the guy who said go take tec for yourself to stay on topic, but he was, he was exactly on topic; you are crying that goons hold lots of tec for two years, he suggested you go and take it off them. Perfectly on topic.

How do I feel about it? I dont care. Tec isnt the be all and end all of isk making, it takes a huge amount of logistics, it is risky because tec moons are an obvious target and hauling the stuff around is risky. Personally Id rather not have tec to worry about.

The only people who decry moon goo income as an easy isk faucet are teh ones who have never had to actually manage moons, it takes effort, security, time and plenty of isk to start up, just like every other venture in Eve.

TL;DR Stop crying and do something about it yourself instead of asking ccp to do it for you. Again.


It not about ISKs bro. its about to make game better. Why moons are only on North ? As most valuable resource in game, its just wrong. yeah I know "Real, Living world" Not really.. eve is just computer game. And this lack of the balance is really bad. Im not complaining about it Im just giving "my sign" to developers to do something with it to make OUR game better.

Sure you can say so come and take those moons. No I / we cant. Why ? lack of ISKs and PPL.
Why you dont have ISKs ? You may ask. because Moons were on the North and we are on the South ?

Ideally they (CCP) should wipe all technetium and make another mineral needed for tech 2 production. This mineral should be placed in random places like incursions.. or something like that.

In my opinion whole case is not about Goons im not Goon-hater and I really don't care. They are the biggest community in game with TEST they are like a half of the game ATM.

Im just looking for new content and something new to do.
Sister Luna
Silverado Holdings
#345 - 2012-11-17 11:43:24 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
I don't like the way Africa is poorer than Europe. Let's give them Belgium.


try to read the post one more time. question is: How you guys feel about tech moons and overall game politics and balance ? what can be done with this situation to make our game better ?


For about the 300000th time, KILL. ALL. GOONS.

That's the only way it's going to get better. You need to take the moons.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#346 - 2012-11-17 11:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Keen Fallsword wrote:
It not about ISKs bro. its about to make game better. Why moons are only on North ? As most valuable resource in game, its just wrong. yeah I know "Real, Living world" Not really.. eve is just computer game. And this lack of the balance is really bad. Im not complaining about it Im just giving "my sign" to developers to do something with it to make OUR game better.


This was pointed out to CCP before they made Tech the thing to have. They didn't listen.

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Sure you can say so come and take those moons. No I / we cant. Why ? lack of ISKs and PPL.
Why you dont have ISKs ? You may ask. because Moons were on the North and we are on the South ?


You choose to live in the southern regions. If you don't like them, move elsewhere.

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Ideally they (CCP) should wipe all technetium and make another mineral needed for tech 2 production. This mineral should be placed in random places like incursions.. or something like that.


So you want to remove Tech & replace it with something that is the exact same thing but have it found in incursions [or something like incursions]?

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In my opinion whole case is not about Goons im not Goon-hater and I really don't care. They are the biggest community in game with TEST they are like a half of the game ATM.


That's a lot of caring from someone that doesn't care.

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Im just looking for new content and something new to do.


Make your own content instead of waiting for it to be handed to you so you can promptly get bored with it because it's too hard. I have a great idea, you could come & take all our Tech moons away.

Issler

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#347 - 2012-11-17 11:47:49 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
It not about ISKs bro. its about to make game better. Why moons are only on North ? As most valuable resource in game, its just wrong. yeah I know "Real, Living world" Not really.. eve is just computer game. And this lack of the balance is really bad. Im not complaining about it Im just giving "my sign" to developers to do something with it to make OUR game better.

Or you could do what the rest of the game's population has done, i.e. ***** at CCP for taking dyspro/neo moons, R64s which were spread rather evenly across all mineable space, and switching the bottleneck onto tech. And being told by literally the entire game's population that they were making a mistake months in advance.

Issler

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RIP Vile Rat

Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#348 - 2012-11-17 12:17:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Keen Fallsword
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You choose to live in the southern regions. If you don't like them, move elsewhere.


Yeah we can all be on the North right ? Im not alone in this game. If you ever tried to relocate whole (and just) one corporation of 30 ppl you know how it is.

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So you want to remove Tech & replace it with something that is the exact same thing but have it found in incursions [or something like incursions]?


Not really. Something more random. like probing / scaning game. You must scan moon goo first

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That's a lot of caring from someone that doesn't care.


Some time ago I was flying in CFC, that's why..


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Make your own content instead of waiting for it to be handed to you so you can promptly get bored with it because it's too hard. I have a great idea, you could come & take all our Tech moons away.


Can I code something for myself ? I know some python... I want to have a nice shop near eve gate. Something you know "classy" with nice big window, anchored near the gate. Can I do this ?
Please .. Such a things were possible in Ultima Online but not in eve. Eve is "sandboxish" but not sand box game.

Issler[/quote]
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#349 - 2012-11-17 12:20:32 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Page 18, and no Dev posts........oh wait


Im afraid that we can have 100+ pages and no dev post
Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#350 - 2012-11-17 12:59:34 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:

Great idea! We should do this with asteroid belts and ice belts too, right? How about L4 missions?


Hell yeah. All resources should have some dynamic element to them.

GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
Want a sandbox? That is a sandbox. Dynamic and free-for-all approach.

Just don't be surprised when Goons or some other well organized and focused group owns them all... as they probably will. At least then they will own them on less ******** mechanical grounds.

Yeah, having to own and tower up all of nullsec.

I should really sign up to help do that, I hear it's a great way to experience EVE ONLINE.



Much the same as the ATK mining HS people are supposed to endure.

Maybe CCP will get creative and add a PI Interface to Moon mining drills. Move the moon goo around every few days and force the POS manager to interface to collect optimal Tech.


Adding tedium to an already tedious task? Not really a good idea. I find it amusing the amount of people who think 'driving logistical players to quit/suicide' is the best way to balance things!

The whole shadowy vague ring-mining mechanic should provide an option, although, and I'm not sure this is one that even our sensible economists agree with (paging Weaselior to this thread) they should not be the primary stream of moon minerals unless exploited on a massive scale, but serve as a supplemental for line members - at least, not until other mechanics are in place to make spaceholding on it's own more valuable. (Huh, I also wonder if constellation and region indices could be used as extra sweeteners to upgrades to make concentrations of pilots produce better results than scattered systems idk idle theorycrafting here).


I get it adds tedium to an already tedious task.

But tech moons being a big game of "king of the mountain" is just stupid.

And I'm not sure if some guy in a 15 man corp thinks it's all that tedious if he finds a tech moon and has the opportunity to auction the location to one of several competing mega alliances like goonswarm that can actually hold it.

Or the 15man corp towers it up and makes bank before someone gets wise (maybe they never do!)

"Meh it's more work" is not a good argument to keep the mechanics the way they are. Tech moons shouldn't just be a reward to being the largest most organized group in the game.

There should be some dynamic to open that up to the rest of the game and as long as they stay static to particular moons in particular systems that just is never going to happen.

Eve is all about dynamic gameplay. Everyone said the same thing you are saying about static plexs.
Either "too much work" or "the same people will just keep getting them"

but they refined the system well enough that while both of those statements were true... it ALSO opened the mechanic up to the greater populace.
Melvin Coulter
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#351 - 2012-11-17 13:03:31 UTC
Sister Luna wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
I don't like the way Africa is poorer than Europe. Let's give them Belgium.


try to read the post one more time. question is: How you guys feel about tech moons and overall game politics and balance ? what can be done with this situation to make our game better ?


For about the 300000th time, KILL. ALL. GOONS.

That's the only way it's going to get better. You need to take the moons.


You wouldn't happen to have a vary large alliance with titans would you? IF SO

PERFECT! GO on give them something to do!

Move along!

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#352 - 2012-11-17 13:08:44 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Can I code something for myself ? I know some python... I want to have a nice shop near eve gate. Something you know "classy" with nice big window, anchored near the gate. Can I do this ?
Please .. Such a things were possible in Ultima Online but not in eve. Eve is "sandboxish" but not sand box game.


This just in: Apparently we can't make our own content with out coding. It would appear that content such as Hulkageddon, Minerbumping & Burn Jita is not actually players making their own content.

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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#353 - 2012-11-17 13:09:52 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Page 18, and no Dev posts........oh wait


What should a Dev say about a few guys screaming about the sandbox mechanic?

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#354 - 2012-11-17 13:20:45 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Page 18, and no Dev posts........oh wait


What should a Dev say about a few guys screaming about the sandbox mechanic?


I imagine it would be along the lines of, "See, this is why we can't get drunk anymore."

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#355 - 2012-11-17 14:03:21 UTC
I was attempting to moderate this topic because of all the reports we got about it. Then I quickly realized this is futile and I'd wind up deleting 75% of the thread.

Therefore, I am locking this thread. I do not believe the conversation will return to being sensible.

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