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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Terry Shawton
DEROB
#81 - 2012-11-16 23:05:03 UTC
instead of name change ccp just adds a corp to history like CCP transfers inc or something. To indicate the character was transferred by them.
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-11-16 23:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Name Family Name
ISD Praetoxx wrote:


Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!



The point is you don't buy a new character, you buy a used one.

Any quick google search will reveal the character was bought (assuming it was bought legally on the character bazaar) and when applying to a corp, people may always explain the character was bought and bring up the corresponding thread as evidence if they think that would be favourable and the recruiter hasn't already found out by himself.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#83 - 2012-11-17 01:52:16 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Mascha Tzash wrote:
Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands?
Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.

so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history.


i agree with this, i think character trades should be shown along with the corp history therefore you can see when the character was traded and what corps the new owner has been in.

doesn't really mean much as they could transfer the character to "wipe the slate clean" however you're still able to see the previous corps the character has been in for the paranoid recruiters out there.

also it'd be nice to know if the character you're checking out has been traded before, and if so; when.


I'm just going to stop reading here and quote.

More or less, I like the idea of the traded date being dropped into Character History. If name changes were available, that should be included too.

A Characters history need never be deleted, but I think the Corp history should receive the Certificate treatment. Any player can show an API to a Corp if it is requested and they will have the needed information available.

Add a second history which is available as a sort of info on a person that can be gained by some means, like a Locator Agent, (but more accessible), in game.

Perhaps work it into the Bounty Revamp and include Locator Agents with that revamp too. Locator Agents.. Never successfully used one to find someone, but it seems to me that you should receive tracking information available on your map, and maybe an indicator like the watch list for online status.

If they're online you can click on their pic and it will open the map and they will be visible as a dot on the map, with their location shown in text beside their picture on mouse-over.

This would mean Locator Agents should increase in expense slightly, for handling the extra work of following that person.

I'm good with name changes, and I'd go so far as to suggest it should be an available option on receiving a Character transfer. $5 fee in account management to schedule a name change in the client for a recently transferred character, good for 72 hours.

Name changes aside from that, if available, should cost a PLEX, and only be available once a year.
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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#84 - 2012-11-17 02:21:11 UTC
Without the ability to reset characters, the bazaar is effectively overpaying for someone's partially eaten Tuna Sandwich.

Ways to filter out abuse:

Credit Verification on both the seller and the buyer, (this would only be required for trades that wish to use the name change.)

Additionally: Limiting this service to once per year, or even once per two years would be appropriate as well as a timer that shows how many years, months, days, hours until the character can be renamed.

This would of course mean characters with a desirable skill set AND a rename available would be worth a mint, which I can only imagine would make the players who contribute the most to the Bazaar VERY happy.


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LtCol Laurentius
The Imperial Sardaukar
#85 - 2012-11-17 03:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: LtCol Laurentius
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



I belive most people would choose to keep their character names, because its their identity as you say. But in addition to bought characters, you have poorly named alts that some may want to change, you have characters that have been hit with the CCP hammer because they were offensive etc. Being named Caldari Citizen 247964 isnt gonna keep people playing :)

If all characters that have some sort of standing towards you, or have placed a bounty on you, would get notified about the namechange (and the renamed character just take the place of the old one in the standings lists etc), a namechange wouldnt wipe the slate clean. Also, a name changing history should be available in the show info on the character.
Shirley Jones
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2012-11-17 07:11:45 UTC
I really don't see any issue with a name change. I mean unless you are a celebrity of sorts then who really knows or cares about your name?! I know for my two main 2006 characters nobody would care or notice if my name was changed or if i ever logged into this game again. Would i care if joeblog changed his name to johnsmith, well no because well i wouldn't notice. Its not like i spend my eve running around the universe recording peoples names and job descriptions. I shoot the red box, i buy the market stuff both of which i take absolutely no notice of the names, i certainly do not record or memorize them.

The biggest gripe seems to be corp thieves but the character name is really not a defense. If you are going to get all your stuff stolen its not going to be from some in game character name that has a history of thievery. It is the player behind the character that is the thief and there is no way to know what new character they have bought or rolled to do their dastardly with.

There would have to be a visible record of the change and it would have to be costly just so i guess its not rampant but even then I really would not notice nor care. You never know who is who in eve simply because.. alts, character bazzar. Let the poor souls out there that live their eve existence hating their character name have the opportunity to change it, i mean really what is it to you, you likely will never know them, interact with them or notice them anyways.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-11-17 07:14:16 UTC
Just make a visable character name change transaction log that's recorded in the API. Corps interested in security can do a simple audit (As they should be doing anyways). Problem solved. Adore me.
Borascus
#88 - 2012-11-17 09:02:57 UTC
If the API settings allowed a Corp History / Previous Names field the spy risk is reduced, but a useful intel tool is removed: Cloaky alt / Cyno, or covert jump portal generation? What kind of friends would they likely be able to batphone, are they playing with Pandemic Legion whilst also being a Goonswarm spy?


Although, corp recruitment is safe with API verification
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#89 - 2012-11-17 10:40:24 UTC
Robe or inflitrate nemy corp - do smomthing horrible in game - transfer character to your self to another account - avoid punishment due to bad reputation - clear name and history - profit.... Very bad idea...

Hovewer would be nice if people got ablility to change name after buying character in character bazar, but in other perspective this may be used as expolit to clear bad reputation etc.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Haoibuni
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#90 - 2012-11-17 10:54:03 UTC
This is my bio which, unfortunately, is a true story:

"I have a crap name, don't I.
Spelt it wrong at character creation. Typed an "O" instead of a "P".
As such, I'm not a Happy Bunny :-("



Petitioned, rejected. I was most butthurt.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-11-17 11:14:58 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Robe or inflitrate nemy corp - do smomthing horrible in game - transfer character to your self to another account - avoid punishment due to bad reputation - clear name and history - profit.... Very bad idea...

Hovewer would be nice if people got ablility to change name after buying character in character bazar, but in other perspective this may be used as expolit to clear bad reputation etc.


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Dr oozy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2012-11-17 11:45:27 UTC
The issue is the history, I do not see what it wrong with a purely cosmetic name change but leaving the history as it is, any way to remove the history of the char would be abused.

Before you buy a char on the bazaar do your research and decide if you want the history... safe in the knowledge that the char does not have be called "Ub3Rp3wp3w" if you buy it.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#93 - 2012-11-17 12:13:14 UTC
As long a character search brings up the past alias. And that it can't be overutilized. Perhaps a 1 time name change per account or at the time of an initial character transfer.

As far as names being sacred, the fact that we have alts and have alt spies and can transfer characters already makes 'name = sacred' grossly hyperbolic.

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Keno Skir
#94 - 2012-11-17 12:18:27 UTC
Once again this nul-brainer concept rears it's ugly head.

Eve is about consequences for actions and corp history is an important part of that. Our names are all we have. Allowing people to lose their bad history for $100 is so game breakingly stupid i feel sorry for your pets who are undoubtably stupider just for having been near you.

Think longer next time before you display your obvious need to circumvent an important game mechanic. If you want a shiny history, dont be a d*ck.

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#95 - 2012-11-17 13:01:39 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Once again this nul-brainer concept rears it's ugly head.

-----stuff----

Think longer next time



Take your own advice. How many times it need be said you can circumvent consequences with alts. PLEXes made this even easier. There's like one person I know who hasn't wussed out of bad rep (altough in his case, magnificient bastard rep), that is Istvaan Shogaatsu.
And it has been said that an intergral part of this name change things would be the introduction of an "identity history" tab.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#96 - 2012-11-18 22:59:20 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



Honestly, its the one thing that's kept me from buying a character. Last thing i want is to buy a toon whose name is Fatty McSpankyPants. I think a rename/wiped corp history should only be available if you purchase a toon. After all, when you buy a character there can be a lot of negative history that's hard to know about that comes with it. I think the name change should also have a time limit of like a week. So people who buy a toon can't rack up a history and then a month later change the name.



Hmm. I'll spend years being a corp thief, jumping from corp to corp scamming people for billions and stealing all their stuff, but then I have to stop because no-one will hire me. Oh wait, I don't have to do that at all, I'll just sell myself...to myself. Name change and corp history wipe, thank you that'll do nicely. Now back to doing exactly what I was doing with no repercussions at all because "I'm not the same person anymore".

And if you can't see anything wrong with the above scenario, please get out of EVE and go play solitaire.


Thing is people can already do that with alt accounts, character transfers, etc. They just run alt accounts, sell their black mark character and buy a clean slate character.
DaDudeinDump
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-11-18 23:20:42 UTC
I support name changes. If people are going to use this as an advantage, why don't they put it in employment history or on their bios? Some way that anyone who's viewing them instantly knows they had their names changed.
Achlys Kurvora
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-11-18 23:45:19 UTC
While I totally understand and mostly agree that name changes would be opening a can of worms, I would love one for this character.

This character started out as a power of 2 that I split with my friend, I did the first name he did the second (he just made it up on the spot). Come to find out after I fully adopt the account that the last name is one used by some random guy for all of his like 4 characters last names. So now I am constantly mistaken for one of this guys alts......... joy.

Maybe keep corp history and only allow the change of first or last name? But then again many older characters only one one name.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-11-18 23:51:57 UTC
Name Family Name wrote:
ISD Praetoxx wrote:


Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!



The point is you don't buy a new character, you buy a used one.

Any quick google search will reveal the character was bought (assuming it was bought legally on the character bazaar) and when applying to a corp, people may always explain the character was bought and bring up the corresponding thread as evidence if they think that would be favourable and the recruiter hasn't already found out by himself.



Employment history it's like local, maps, off game tools, planets and every piece of information on it you haven't scanned for it, free intell given away.

How much logical is to click on some character to know his pedigree without his permission as every other single tool I just named?

brb
Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-11-18 23:55:26 UTC
I vote no. EVE is based on reputation and trust. This will shatter everything.

No