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I just want to be clear though, I'm interested in interesting mining content.

What would you say makes Perpetuum's mining system "interesting"?

The size of CCP's wallet preservation.

I mean, you have to think quite low of yourself if you play a game where the developers are so much hands-tied to profit that they willingly keep a bad mechanic bad for the sake of keeping more subs.

I know, my English is self taught . If I have to write down any lengthy concepts, they quickly turn into gibber-English.




I'd like you brought the rest of the game up to PvP standards by coming where I live and eradicating 50+ barges a day.

Whats the opportunity cost of playing a video game when you could be out in the real world doing real world stuff.

Yes they do. The AFK will stop reading here and flame me, but you won't

Although AFK mining will always generate an accounting profit (your ISK quantity goes up), AFK mining is one of the worst activities imaginable for making money.

This seems counter intuitive to some people - if you're making money, you're winning right? WRONG.

You see, there is this really cool thing called "implicit cost" also known as opportunity cost. When you do something you give up the chance to do something else. Normally, this is par for the course and totally ok. But AFK ice mining is special.

AFK ice mining is like collecting cans on the street to cash in at an aluminum recycling plant for some nickels. The entry barrier is nonexistent, any moron can do it. This, combined with perfect information (current ice prices are known to all and the locations of ice belts are readily available) means that ice prices are as low as they can possibly be in the market.

But we all know that miners mine themselves into poverty, they've done it since the start of EVE. They complain that they don't make enough money and ask for more yield, which causes them to make either the same or often less than they did before. They then proceed to ask for more yield again

AFK takes stupid up to 11. AFK miners are collectively mining themselves into mediocrity because "I can make teh isk while watching Kaylee on Firefly" mentality.

They may be making accounting profits but the facts are they make zero or worse economic profits. Quite literally, you'd be better of doing any other activity than AFK mining.

But since AFK miners only understand a wallet blink, they will think they're gaming the system by making money afk. But in reality they're selling themselves as short as you possibly could.

So, AFKers, you fail economics forever.

Have not followed the entire thread.

The first assumption is wrong because the "opportunity cost" is decided when you click "enter game". Time spent in game means time not spent IRL.

So regardless of your activity, the OC is the same. Time out of your life, regardless.

Your welcome.

While ice mining AFK you can read a story to your toddler.

While ice mining AFK you can do laundry.

While ice mining AFK you can watch Firefly.

Where is the opportunity cost again?

Why do people have such an aversion to automation? Without it you'd still be living in the 1800's. To automate is what makes us human and separates us from the apes.

Boring repetitive tasks like mining should be automated and the functionality to do so should be built into the game, then people would have to use their brains to work out the most efficient way to mine, and the best places to mine, not sit hunched over the PC, with brain turned off, and *click* zzz *click* *click* a billion times.

That was exactly one of the CCP points with those new exhumers. By making them a "click once every 40 mins" affair, bots become useless.

To see how important AFK mining has become, suffice to say that the AFK ices have totally tanked, while minerals (less AFK, roids deplete in few minutes) are rising. Both resources are in need at this time, both require similarly efficient setups so the only discriminator is the AFK-ness.

That was quite a while ago now.

I think I've got to give this one to Vaerah. It's definitely divided by AFKness.