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[Call for the Chairman] Where is the CSM response to events?

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Girl is Monk
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-20 13:58:07 UTC
The CSM issued numerous public statements through these forums when they started this "reform" ball rolling. Now that CCP has done everything you wanted and real people lost real jobs: where are your replies and statements? It's time to step to the microphone, Mittani, and accept responsibility for your and the CSM's actions.

You've taken metagaming to the next level with your war against CCP. You can't claim its "just a game" anymore.

Step up to the microphone, sir. Step up.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-20 14:05:51 UTC
So your posting about what again?

How is this for the betterment of the game?

What does this have to do with real life jobs again?

Is this just an another ***** post over CSM?

If so...kindly leave from whence you came....no proof...no context...waste of time.

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Ripperljohn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-20 14:10:03 UTC
You seem to be very very smart please join my corp with your main character

we need smart people like you

no jokes

really
Velicitia
XS Tech
#4 - 2011-10-20 14:13:20 UTC
Came looking for a well thought out message to Mittani about the layoffs...


left disappoint.
1/10

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Girl is Monk
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-10-20 14:42:09 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
left disappoint. 1/10

Another lame meme response. Am disappoint.
Ripperljohn wrote:
please join my corp with your main character

lol mr. goon alt. I've got 2 km's for you. I don't work with losers and fail pirates.
Drake Draconis wrote:
....no proof...no context...waste of time.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/news/eve-online-csm-chairman-takes-aim-at-ccp


Walter Stine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-20 14:58:16 UTC
I think you're trying to draw a connection between the CSM calling for focusing on flying in space and the recent layoffs, but I don't see the evidence to support this viewpoint.
Ripperljohn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-20 15:16:21 UTC
Girl is Monk wrote:
lol mr. goon alt. I've got 2 km's for you. I don't work with losers and fail pirates.



wat

Goon alt?

wat
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-20 15:19:13 UTC
Mittani is the 1% maaaaaannnnnnnnnn

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
T-Jay Charante
Black Sun Industry and Research
#9 - 2011-10-20 16:04:12 UTC
To be fair to the OP, it hasn't gone unnoticed by many players about the lack of CSM response to this whole situation.
Chances are of course, they knew absolutely nothing about this or are indeed worried about their own future positions as a working Council.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-10-20 17:16:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyprus Black
Girl is Monk wrote:
The CSM issued numerous public statements through these forums when they started this "reform" ball rolling. Now that CCP has done everything you wanted and real people lost real jobs: where are your replies and statements? It's time to step to the microphone, Mittani, and accept responsibility for your and the CSM's actions.

You've taken metagaming to the next level with your war against CCP. You can't claim its "just a game" anymore.

Step up to the microphone, sir. Step up.
Wait a sec, you're really blaming the CSMs for this? Are you that narrow sighted? So here's a hypothetical situation for you:

Lets say I buy a hamburger from a fast food restaurant. That burger, it turns out, is undercooked and gives me food poisoning. In fact, this fast food joint has a nasty and reoccurring habit of not cooking their food properly and giving all their customers food poisoning.

The employees know about it and have voiced concern that their manager keeps rushing them and not allowing them to cook the food properly.

Customers complain, file grievances to the FDA, and raise such a commotion to the point that the manager of this fast food restaurant can no longer ignore it. The manager issues a public apology and promises to clean up their act.

Nothing happens after his apology for a month. Then he fires half of his employees out of the clear blue. So who's at fault here?

The customers who complained about getting food poisoning?
Or the manager and his negligence?



Judging by your narrow understanding of the situation, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you said it was the customers fault.

It's not the players fault for the situation EvE Online is in. It's not the CSM's. It's not the online news press. It's nobodys fault except the management of CCP. This is really REALLY obvious but it seems there are lone individuals out there who still don't grasp the obvious.

And yeah, that Ten Ton Hammer article you cited, that was written back in September 7th. Today is October 20th. At least try to get your facts in order.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-10-20 17:22:00 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
WTFBBQPWNAGE


Nice. :) +1

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2011-10-20 17:23:45 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=218867#post218867

is my response to this. As it was in that thread.
Dalketh
DRRUSSEL
#13 - 2011-10-20 17:24:09 UTC
T-Jay Charante wrote:
To be fair to the OP, it hasn't gone unnoticed by many players about the lack of CSM response to this whole situation.
Chances are of course, they knew absolutely nothing about this or are indeed worried about their own future positions as a working Council.



This. Very recently any new Dev Blog or announcement from CCP with anything positive in it was manipulated behind the scenes so the CSM and/or other Dev's dominated the first 10 responses.... in an effort to either try to take credit or to try to tell us how we are SUPPOSED to feel. (Hope they have permanently stopped doing this).

Now on this - silence. It's noticed.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#14 - 2011-10-20 17:24:26 UTC
We certainly didn't advocate for CCP to lay people off. Our preferred solution would have been for all those devs to be working on EVE. Blaming us for CCP management's failings is a little unfair. We (and the CSMs before us) told CCP over and over again when they were heading in the wrong direction. They sometimes listened and changed course. They didn't listen to us about Incarna, the NEX store, ship spinning, and the general neglect of EVE for the past 2 or so years. That is the fault of Hilmar and his managers, not us, and certainly not the poor grunts who got laid off this week.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-10-20 17:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
whose business is it to dictate what CCP does or doesn't do when it comes to how they manage their business?

How the hell do you know there aren't any valid reasons for those actions in the first place?

.

.

That's what I thought.

This is a game....CSM's purpose is to make suggestions based on the majority opinions and try to "lobby" if i would dare use such a term to get CCP to do things.

Yes the CSM does a horrid job in a number of areas but I will not fault them for THIS.....that's for sure.

The CSM are not shareholders nor are they employed by CCP. (last i checked)

We are customers..thats it...don't like it? Quit the damn game and leave. That's the best your gonna get for a protest.

The sooner people start to figure that out and accept it..the sooner they can get on with their lives...if such a thing is even remotely possible.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-10-20 19:39:08 UTC
Why is this even a topic of conversation? What CCP does with it's bottom line is not the players concern. If they laid people off they did it for a business reason and we as players shouldn't be involved or have any say in the slightest.

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