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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#241 - 2011-10-19 12:16:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
non judgement wrote:
[quote=ThisIsntMyMain]Why would anyone care about the NDA, if there wasn't anything important leaked? I don't know. Are Skype chat logs about his dinner friday night covered by NDA?

2 reasons.

A) if he leaked this to riverini, what else might he have leaked that no one has slipped and given away?
B) If the NDA says all communications on an internal communication line(IE closed skype chatroom) are covered, then yes, if he discusses his dinner there, Mittens cannot discuss it with his alliance without violating NDA. It isn't his call as to what is important and what isn't, it is all covered.

Edit: also, I find it hilarious that all the people who are obsessed with goons ebil plot to ruin eve are working so hard to tear down the fundamental institutions that make special in the frenzy to lash out. Only one of these threads about how horrible they are worth a dam for anything other than trolling is the one about the new clusterbunny alliance

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Signal11th
#242 - 2011-10-19 12:24:43 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
non judgement wrote:
[quote=ThisIsntMyMain]Why would anyone care about the NDA, if there wasn't anything important leaked? I don't know. Are Skype chat logs about his dinner friday night covered by NDA?

2 reasons.

A) if he leaked this to riverini, what else might he have leaked that no one has slipped and given away?
B) If the NDA says all communications on an internal communication line(IE closed skype chatroom) are covered, then yes, if he discusses his dinner there, Mittens cannot discuss it with his alliance without violating NDA. It isn't his call as to what is important and what isn't, it is all covered.



Fair enough, It's up to CCP to remove him from position then not anyone else. Literally at the start of this thread with people trying to whip up outrage I thought to myself "Humm I wonder how long till a petition is created" lo and behold 5 minutes later a petition is posted .

If Darius has broken the rules then it's for CCP to sort out not other CSM's or members of their alliances or even me to force the issue.

Until that happens he's still on the CSM.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#243 - 2011-10-19 13:07:37 UTC
But Darius III is so much more entertaining than all the other CSMs...

That man can spin a CandP thread like no other.
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#244 - 2011-10-19 13:13:38 UTC
Ignore the spastics Darius. NDA breach or not the 'evidence' against you is completely circumstantial and it won't amount to anything. I can't see CCP taking information from kugu as fact.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#245 - 2011-10-19 17:45:06 UTC
Jigoku Tomi wrote:
Said it about post #3 Darius. Your grammar defense was pointless, and torpedoed soon after.

You've probably just voted yourself off of the CSM forever. It would appear the Goons beat you regardless of reality.

And you have handed it to them.

Sorry Honey.


hm.... Goons kicking non Goons off the CSM - or getting them in positions where theyre screwed...
Now, figure that they have the backing of the top what three biggest alliances in the game as far as votes go, this has the makings to go from the general council of stellar management to the Goonsquad of Stellar Management.
The only way to vote them and all of their alts out would be to get like all the other people in the game to vote for the other guy (cause yeah, thats gonna happen)

Good going guys, rule the world! woo!

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#246 - 2011-10-19 17:52:21 UTC
Ugh...can we get rid of every CSM member? Seriously, they are so useless it's embarrassing.

When I bring up EvE I try my hardest to hide the fact that morons "represent" the player base. Sad
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#247 - 2011-10-19 17:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Thankfully the CSM has no real power.


lol unless you listen to them

sadly, hilmar thinks well of thr group and we know full well how easy it is to change HIS mind

Quote:
In 2007, we faced a similar crisis of confidence, and it resulted in the creation of the CSM. We’re a better company because of it.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#248 - 2011-10-19 18:24:14 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
hm.... Goons kicking non Goons off the CSM - or getting them in positions where theyre screwed...
Now, figure that they have the backing of the top what three biggest alliances in the game as far as votes go, this has the makings to go from the general council of stellar management to the Goonsquad of Stellar Management.
The only way to vote them and all of their alts out would be to get like all the other people in the game to vote for the other guy (cause yeah, thats gonna happen)

Good going guys, rule the world! woo!

The level of paranoia that has been creeping into your posts the last few days pleases me.
digi
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#249 - 2011-10-19 22:30:09 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Jigoku Tomi wrote:
Said it about post #3 Darius. Your grammar defense was pointless, and torpedoed soon after.

You've probably just voted yourself off of the CSM forever. It would appear the Goons beat you regardless of reality.

And you have handed it to them.

Sorry Honey.


hm.... Goons kicking non Goons off the CSM - or getting them in positions where theyre screwed...
Now, figure that they have the backing of the top what three biggest alliances in the game as far as votes go, this has the makings to go from the general council of stellar management to the Goonsquad of Stellar Management.
The only way to vote them and all of their alts out would be to get like all the other people in the game to vote for the other guy (cause yeah, thats gonna happen)

Good going guys, rule the world! woo!


Yeah guy, you got it right. Someone FORCED Darius III to leak logs to riverni. Obviously a conspiracy to "get him in a position where he is screwed."

Obviously this is a ploy to ruin your game. Oh the humanity! Someone has setup Darius III, a CSM member of no use whatsoever!

The real problem with leaking the NDA'd information is that while you are playing with the "Goons want to rule the world" theory, there could be a real possibility of real corruption at hand. What else was leaked? Were wallets lined?

Is that what you want from YOUR CSM? Someone who will take confidential information and use it for their own gain?

Signal11th
#250 - 2011-10-20 07:50:50 UTC
digi wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Jigoku Tomi wrote:
Said it about post #3 Darius. Your grammar defense was pointless, and torpedoed soon after.

You've probably just voted yourself off of the CSM forever. It would appear the Goons beat you regardless of reality.

And you have handed it to them.

Sorry Honey.


hm.... Goons kicking non Goons off the CSM - or getting them in positions where theyre screwed...
Now, figure that they have the backing of the top what three biggest alliances in the game as far as votes go, this has the makings to go from the general council of stellar management to the Goonsquad of Stellar Management.
The only way to vote them and all of their alts out would be to get like all the other people in the game to vote for the other guy (cause yeah, thats gonna happen)

Good going guys, rule the world! woo!


Yeah guy, you got it right. Someone FORCED Darius III to leak logs to riverni. Obviously a conspiracy to "get him in a position where he is screwed."

Obviously this is a ploy to ruin your game. Oh the humanity! Someone has setup Darius III, a CSM member of no use whatsoever!

The real problem with leaking the NDA'd information is that while you are playing with the "Goons want to rule the world" theory, there could be a real possibility of real corruption at hand. What else was leaked? Were wallets lined?

Is that what you want from YOUR CSM? Someone who will take confidential information and use it for their own gain?




Come on Digi, pot kettle black mate, Like all politicians they are only screwed when they get caught.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#251 - 2011-10-20 08:05:52 UTC
At least this time around it's not like the last situation where a certain CSM was removed due to an NDA breach. ;)

Will remain nameless.... Though doesn't matter since nobody could pronounce her name anyhow.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#252 - 2011-10-20 12:12:14 UTC
Igualmentedos wrote:
Ugh...can we get rid of every CSM member? Seriously, they are so useless it's embarrassing.

When I bring up EvE I try my hardest to hide the fact that morons democratically "represent" the player base. Sad

FTFY

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#253 - 2011-10-20 16:42:26 UTC
digi wrote:
The real problem with leaking the NDA'd information is that while you are playing with the "Goons want to rule the world" theory, there could be a real possibility of real corruption at hand. What else was leaked? Were wallets lined?

Is that what you want from YOUR CSM? Someone who will take confidential information and use it for their own gain?


Well there's an argument that'll stand up in a court of law.

District Attorney: "Your honor, the man was caught speeding."

Defense: "Objection. The man riding in the car with him said he was speeding. It's hearsay"

Judge: "Sustained"

DA: "Who KNOWS what other laws he might have broken? He might have stolen a car or shot someone too!"

Defense: "Objection, calls for speculation"

Judge: "Sustained"

DA: "But judge, we KNOW he was speeding! His friend posted it on the interwebs, it must be true!"

Judge: "ORLY? Bailiff, have this nutjob escorted out of the courtroom"


I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#254 - 2011-10-20 16:56:37 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
digi wrote:
The real problem with leaking the NDA'd information is that while you are playing with the "Goons want to rule the world" theory, there could be a real possibility of real corruption at hand. What else was leaked? Were wallets lined?

Is that what you want from YOUR CSM? Someone who will take confidential information and use it for their own gain?


Well there's an argument that'll stand up in a court of law.

District Attorney: "Your honor, the man was caught speeding."

Defense: "Objection. The man riding in the car with him said he was speeding. It's hearsay"

Judge: "Sustained"

DA: "Who KNOWS what other laws he might have broken? He might have stolen a car or shot someone too!"

Defense: "Objection, calls for speculation"

Judge: "Sustained"

DA: "But judge, we KNOW he was speeding! His friend posted it on the interwebs, it must be true!"

Judge: "ORLY? Bailiff, have this nutjob escorted out of the courtroom"




This is what we call willful ignorance.
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#255 - 2011-10-20 17:33:57 UTC
I'm sorry i dont care..... What an utter load of crap!

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#256 - 2011-10-20 17:34:24 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
digi wrote:
The real problem with leaking the NDA'd information is that while you are playing with the "Goons want to rule the world" theory, there could be a real possibility of real corruption at hand. What else was leaked? Were wallets lined?

Is that what you want from YOUR CSM? Someone who will take confidential information and use it for their own gain?


Well there's an argument that'll stand up in a court of law.

District Attorney: "Your honor, the man was caught speeding."

Defense: "Objection. The man riding in the car with him said he was speeding. It's hearsay"

Judge: "Sustained"

DA: "Who KNOWS what other laws he might have broken? He might have stolen a car or shot someone too!"

Defense: "Objection, calls for speculation"

Judge: "Sustained"

DA: "But judge, we KNOW he was speeding! His friend posted it on the interwebs, it must be true!"

Judge: "ORLY? Bailiff, have this nutjob escorted out of the courtroom"



This guy has a good point right here.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#257 - 2011-10-20 17:36:11 UTC
Jigoku Tomi wrote:
Your case is a lower case "m"?

Should have kept silent methinks, chat logs are never evidence baby.


Actaully this is where you are wrong, they hold up in mordern courts as hersey evidence.

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Dalketh
DRRUSSEL
#258 - 2011-10-20 17:39:36 UTC
digi wrote:


Yeah guy, you got it right. Someone FORCED Darius III to leak logs to riverni. Obviously a conspiracy to "get him in a position where he is screwed."

Obviously this is a ploy to ruin your game. Oh the humanity! Someone has setup Darius III, a CSM member of no use whatsoever!

The real problem with leaking the NDA'd information is that while you are playing with the "Goons want to rule the world" theory, there could be a real possibility of real corruption at hand. What else was leaked? Were wallets lined?

Is that what you want from YOUR CSM? Someone who will take confidential information and use it for their own gain?



You mean like the goon and other null sec members of the council reportedly do? Riverni 'admitted' it so it's true ya? Roll
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#259 - 2011-10-20 17:41:38 UTC
Why dont CCP just scrap the CSM and use the money they spend on air fares etc on improving the game?

I would say 75% dont give a flying f*** about the CSM and probably many do not know it even exists.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Hratli Smirks
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#260 - 2011-10-20 17:46:40 UTC
I like the fact that when a source hostile to Goonswarm (Riverini) inadvertently leaks chatlogs that strongly suggest that his alliance leader is leaking him **** from a CSM-only channel you guys start screaming about goon conspiracies

you see I like it because it proves your brains are basically a couple pounds of lukewarm tapioca well see ya