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Harbinger PvE Fit - L3/L4 Mission Running

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Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#21 - 2012-10-14 04:20:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zyella Stormborn
Marcus Gideon wrote:
I'm noticing a pattern from all the suggested fits...

They all seem to be really Cap hungry. And everyone is trying to overcome that hunger, by loading up on CCC rigs, and Rechargers.

First off, as things die, the amount of damage you'll have to tank goes down. Plus, its pretty easy to control the waves if you look up the missions first and avoid killing triggers too soon.

*snip*



The reason for the fits being the way we have them is for a couple of reasons:

1) Newer skills = harder fittings, less defense, and less damage.
2) Newer players may not want to have to study every mission, and many of us prefer just to go to them and give it a try, which we have more fun in.
3) Newer players make more mistakes (accidentally multi spawning, drawing full room aggro, etc), and therefore it is helpful to have more forgiveness, hence the listed cap hungry fits, omni tanks, prop mods, etc.


If they want to get into blitzing missions, or fitting for each of them, etc., gods know there are plenty of players that can give amazing advice for that, but I think it would be a different thread. Cool

~Zyella

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly

Mishra Ninghor
The Scarlet Storm
#22 - 2012-10-14 12:41:32 UTC
What you can do is use EFT, leftclick the modules in your fit and look at how much each level of say "Gunnery" or "Rapid Fire" affects your DPS as well as other skills.
Novela Pwnz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-11-17 01:02:19 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Vyridus Ancalon wrote:
I'm still 28 days away from T2 Energy Turrets and Scorch Crystals so I'll settle for T1 at the moment.


Then you should be using beams. Pulses without Scorch aren't going to have the range you need to hit rats for decent damage.

Vyridus Ancalon wrote:
I modified the build I posted to use Imperial Navy Multifrequency M and I now have a DPS of 215. I hope that's sufficient.


It will get you through -- but it points towards lots of low/missing skills as well.

This is something along the lines of what I'd recommend for starting out:

[Harbinger, L3 beams low skill]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

[empty high slot]


Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

It's basically a T1 version of what I'd recommend in general. With my skills that's pumping 425 DPS before drones at 17+12 with IN multi -- which is pretty respectable. Tank is a bit on the light side; you may want to swap to lower damage longer range crystals like IN ultraviolet in order to better keep range on rats.

this lasers are worst gunz i had
if enemies (minmatar frigates) get closer than 4k metres , and if there alot of them(5-6) u screwed. no chance u could hit them. warp away and then when u warp in mission location. this bastards are 2-3k metres away from u by default SO u screwed again . im tired of this bullcrap and changing weaponz
otherwise i prefer DPS for harbinger rather than tanking
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#24 - 2012-11-17 01:24:24 UTC
Novela Pwnz wrote:

this lasers are worst gunz i had
if enemies (minmatar frigates) get closer than 4k metres , and if there alot of them(5-6) u screwed. no chance u could hit them. warp away and then when u warp in mission location. this bastards are 2-3k metres away from u by default SO u screwed again . im tired of this bullcrap and changing weaponz
otherwise i prefer DPS for harbinger rather than tanking

If you feel you need close range guns more just use pulses instead. You should use your drones to deal with the frigs that are on you. Beam fits aren't meant to sit on top of the enemy.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#25 - 2012-11-17 04:35:28 UTC
After retribution you can prolly run an EANM and a reactive (they don't stack properly) instead of running two specifics. Saves time refitting, more isk in the pot.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Novela Pwnz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-11-17 12:40:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Novela Pwnz
Kosetzu wrote:
Novela Pwnz wrote:

this lasers are worst gunz i had
if enemies (minmatar frigates) get closer than 4k metres , and if there alot of them(5-6) u screwed. no chance u could hit them. warp away and then when u warp in mission location. this bastards are 2-3k metres away from u by default SO u screwed again . im tired of this bullcrap and changing weaponz
otherwise i prefer DPS for harbinger rather than tanking

If you feel you need close range guns more just use pulses instead. You should use your drones to deal with the frigs that are on you. Beam fits aren't meant to sit on top of the enemy.

no i just mean that tracking speed sucks ass and i cant hit any1 who is close. i got 800k SP . got harby yesterday
my fit is :
Focused medium pulse laser I - radio M
Focused medium pulse laser I - radio M
Focused medium pulse laser I - radio M
Focused medium pulse laser I - radio M
Focused medium pulse laser I - radio M
Focused medium pulse laser I - radio M
Focused medium pulse laser I - radio M

medium capacitor control circuit I
medium capacitor control circuit I
medium capacitor control circuit I

heat sink II
heat sink II
heat sink II
tracking enhancer II
tracking enhancer II
capacitor power relay I

experemental 10mn afterburner
no problem with capacitor . but with radio so bad DPS (89.9) , tracking speed 0.12 and optimal range 22KM with radio .and tank dps 7 hp/s
i just cant hit small minmatar assholes who get close and only got infiltrator I drones
any tips would be appreciated. harby is best
p.s doin lvl 2 missionz cuz got it a lil too fast
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#27 - 2012-11-17 13:02:44 UTC
Harbinger is a bit too big to be efficient in level 2 missions but I can give you some tips for killing frigates in an Harbinger.

Firstly, the Radio ammo is fine for killing frigates, but if you look at the properties of that ammo, you'll see it's a long range ammo. In this game, longer range means less DPS.

So. What is the point of using long range ammo if the frigs are 2-3km away? If you use a shorter range ammo, you can do a lot more damage to them. Yes, true, but that still doesn't solve your tracking issues.

Your guns are too close to the enemy ships and your guns can't keep up with them. How do you solve this? By putting distance between yourself and the enemy ships. You won't do that with an AB because it's too slow. Fit a MWD instead and find the sweet spot, probably 10-15 km. Use an appropriate ammo type to get the best DPS for the range you require and you can kill them very effectively. The other bonus of using a MWD is that you can loot up quickly and have some nice mobility instead of crawling around everywhere. It allows you to shuttle up close to the bigger ships like BCs and open up on them with some good Multifrequency ammo, which will tear them apart far more effectively than your Radio. Try it, I'm sure you'll find it much less frustrating.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#28 - 2012-11-17 13:07:17 UTC
Also, download this.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359&find=unread

It takes a little while to get used to, but it's one of the most useful tools any EvE player can have. I'd highly recommend figuring out how to apply your API to it so you can keep your skills updated and create fits which work for you.
Novela Pwnz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-11-17 18:17:29 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Harbinger is a bit too big to be efficient in level 2 missions but I can give you some tips for killing frigates in an Harbinger.

Firstly, the Radio ammo is fine for killing frigates, but if you look at the properties of that ammo, you'll see it's a long range ammo. In this game, longer range means less DPS.

So. What is the point of using long range ammo if the frigs are 2-3km away? If you use a shorter range ammo, you can do a lot more damage to them. Yes, true, but that still doesn't solve your tracking issues.

Your guns are too close to the enemy ships and your guns can't keep up with them. How do you solve this? By putting distance between yourself and the enemy ships. You won't do that with an AB because it's too slow. Fit a MWD instead and find the sweet spot, probably 10-15 km. Use an appropriate ammo type to get the best DPS for the range you require and you can kill them very effectively. The other bonus of using a MWD is that you can loot up quickly and have some nice mobility instead of crawling around everywhere. It allows you to shuttle up close to the bigger ships like BCs and open up on them with some good Multifrequency ammo, which will tear them apart far more effectively than your Radio. Try it, I'm sure you'll find it much less frustrating.

dude tyvm u best. MWD is what i needed and multifrequency works well. now learning EFT
u are not gonna believe! me but some dude gifted me ASHIMMU and now im researching to fly it. look cool with this fit - http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/35776-Ashimmu-pwnage-solo-boat.html
28hours more!!!
harby need some relaxation I guess :)
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#30 - 2012-11-17 18:35:21 UTC
Novela Pwnz wrote:
dude tyvm u best. MWD is what i needed and multifrequency works well. now learning EFT
u are not gonna believe! me but some dude gifted me ASHIMMU and now im researching to fly it. look cool with this fit - http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/35776-Ashimmu-pwnage-solo-boat.html
28hours more!!!
harby need some relaxation I guess :)


Just try not to get cocky about your survivability. It's very easy to do that when you're in a new, shiny ship. EVE rewards cockiness by killing you.

Also, the fit you linked is a PvP fit. You don't want to PvE with a PvP fit, and you don't want to make your PvP debut in an Ashimmu either!
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#31 - 2012-11-17 19:17:48 UTC
Novela Pwnz wrote:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/35776-Ashimmu-pwnage-solo-boat.html

My advice is to take it into a level 3 mission and get blow up by NPCs. The most valuable lessons in this game are the most expensive ones. Get that Ashimmu blown up by NPCs and you will learn more than you would spending an afternoon on this board. Others might recommend against it, but it will be worth it in the long run.
Novela Pwnz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-11-17 23:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Novela Pwnz
Riot Girl wrote:
Novela Pwnz wrote:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/35776-Ashimmu-pwnage-solo-boat.html

My advice is to take it into a level 3 mission and get blow up by NPCs. The most valuable lessons in this game are the most expensive ones. Get that Ashimmu blown up by NPCs and you will learn more than you would spending an afternoon on this board. Others might recommend against it, but it will be worth it in the long run.

they told me somethin different.
- U will have to learn secret ritual of Capacitor Warfare
- will **** holys and unholys, living and dead
etc etc
so I have to pwnz so asses!
p.s
Kasutra wrote:
Just try not to get cocky about your survivability. It's very easy to do that when you're in a new, shiny ship. EVE rewards cockiness by killing you.

yea I know this. lost harby harby with pvp lier in high-sec. I was kinda stupid and picked can he droped and me got pwned hard. although almost to structure.
omen in mission cuz it was 1 flight on lvl 2 mission and I went to smoke and got swarmed by npcs
few coercers and alooot of impairors
so Im gonna do my best for Capacitor Warfare
p.s.s
Kasutra wrote:
Also, the fit you linked is a PvP fit. You don't want to PvE with a PvP fit, and you don't want to make your PvP debut in an Ashimmu either!

I think gonna learn pvp through pve. and mostly learning ashimmu control



:D no jokes
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#33 - 2012-11-18 11:00:20 UTC
Good luck, make sure you train Energy Emission Systems.
Novela Pwnz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-11-18 21:04:29 UTC
riot girl, wish u same good luck
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