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Goons - two years on the tech moons - how you guys feel about that, question about game future

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#281 - 2012-11-16 22:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Issler Dainze wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Not speaking for the CSM but I would have expected something to have happened by now to address isk printing machines like tech moons.

It's almost as if CCP haven't implemented alchemy which impacts tech prices vOv


Bandaid, does NOT fix the problem, just makes it different.

Issler

So in the world of Issler Dainze, WINNER, a band-aid is literally nothing?

Also, what are you doing with your CSM position to make tech moon dispersion happen?

Will you call on CCP to add more resource diversity to null?

What an irony!

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#282 - 2012-11-16 22:26:00 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Not speaking for the CSM but I would have expected something to have happened by now to address isk printing machines like tech moons.

It's almost as if CCP haven't implemented alchemy which impacts tech prices vOv


Bandaid, does NOT fix the problem, just makes it different.

Issler

So in the world of Issler Dainze, WINNER, a band-aid is literally nothing?

Also, what are you doing with your CSM position to make tech moon dispersion happen?

Will you call on CCP to add more resource diversity to null?

What an irony!

More diversity to highsec !

Especially in mining ~~

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#283 - 2012-11-16 22:28:00 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Not speaking for the CSM but I would have expected something to have happened by now to address isk printing machines like tech moons.

It's almost as if CCP haven't implemented alchemy which impacts tech prices vOv


Bandaid, does NOT fix the problem, just makes it different.

Issler

So in the world of Issler Dainze, WINNER, a band-aid is literally nothing?

Also, what are you doing with your CSM position to make tech moon dispersion happen?

Will you call on CCP to add more resource diversity to null?

What an irony!

More diversity to highsec !

Especially in mining ~~

My real problem is her obvious lack of education about what happens in null.

She didn't even know there were alchemy reactions added recently for Technetium.

Having Issler call for changes to Null-sec would be like having me dictate changes to Hello Kitty Online.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#284 - 2012-11-16 22:28:43 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
:words:

So you refuse to answer the question because you do not know how EVE works or what attracts new players.

You don't sound surprised.


I'm working on an eve-o bingo sheet and that post of his marks one of my squares.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#285 - 2012-11-16 22:29:52 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Not speaking for the CSM but I would have expected something to have happened by now to address isk printing machines like tech moons.

It's almost as if CCP haven't implemented alchemy which impacts tech prices vOv


Bandaid, does NOT fix the problem, just makes it different.

Issler

So in the world of Issler Dainze, WINNER, a band-aid is literally nothing?

Also, what are you doing with your CSM position to make tech moon dispersion happen?

Will you call on CCP to add more resource diversity to null?

What an irony!


What I am doing to trying to make sure that the mining changes that CCP has shared happen so that moon minerals can also be harvested as part of mining. Then moon mining is no longer the monopoly that exists today.

And yes, in theory that could also add more resources to null. Of course the bigger problem of industry in null involves much more than adding resources. Also providing input about that as well.

That's what I'm doing, thanks for asking!

Issler
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#286 - 2012-11-16 22:30:56 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
:words:


So you refuse to answer the question because you do not know how EVE works or what attracts new players.


What did I miss? I laid out several guiding principals that would attract new players, or at least I thought. What is it exactly that you would also like a response to. I would gladly elaborate on my earlier statements.

Question


The question asked was:

La Nariz wrote:
Okay since you claim to know how EVE works, what attracts new players please explain this to us all?


The response given was:

Shizuken wrote:

It is not just what attracts new players, it is why they stay. Getting routinely and mercilessly pounded to dust from all comers is not appealing to the majority of people. Some may stick through it, but it is frustrating to have gameplay goals that are never realized due to constant resets of ones progress.

The best design philosophy for maximum subscribership is a place where anything is possible in the long term, but where the initial experience is favorable and rewarding. Running level one missions with 200k SP and barely any money while allowing hostile campers to repeatedly kill noobs is not an effective strategy to keep them playing, neither is constant hand holding.

The proper fix to the current complained about balance between high, low, and null sec is not to make high less safe. The proper tactic is to make the possibilities in null greater and have more depth.

But please, now tell me how rampant antisocial behavior encourages people to stick around.


No where in your response do you say what attracts new players, you decided to completely ignore the question and try talk space philosophy instead.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#287 - 2012-11-16 22:33:04 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

My real problem is her obvious lack of education about what happens in null.

She didn't even know there were alchemy reactions added recently for Technetium.

Having Issler call for changes to Null-sec would be like having me dictate changes to Hello Kitty Online.


I absolutely knew of the alchemy changes. I even provided feedback before you knew about them! P But they are far from a solution.

Finally, I never ran to address null sec issues. Here for the miners of empire!

Issler
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#288 - 2012-11-16 22:33:51 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


What I am doing to trying to make sure that the mining changes that CCP has shared happen so that moon minerals can also be harvested as part of mining. Then moon mining is no longer the monopoly that exists today.

And yes, in theory that could also add more resources to null. Of course the bigger problem of industry in null involves much more than adding resources. Also providing input about that as well.

That's what I'm doing, thanks for asking!

Issler


So instead of educating yourself in game mechanics you are trying to implement changes based on your own, one persons, experience. Since you don't live in null or have much null industry experience how exactly are you adding anything constructive to the discussions? You are the highsec CSM after all.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#289 - 2012-11-16 22:37:44 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

My real problem is her obvious lack of education about what happens in null.

She didn't even know there were alchemy reactions added recently for Technetium.

Having Issler call for changes to Null-sec would be like having me dictate changes to Hello Kitty Online.


I absolutely knew of the alchemy changes. I even provided feedback before you knew about them! P But they are far from a solution.

Finally, I never ran to address null sec issues. Here for the miners of empire!

Issler


Oh really?
Issler Dainze wrote:
Not speaking for the CSM but I would have expected something to have happened by now to address isk printing machines like tech moons.


Something happened. You either forgot about it, ignored it, or feigned ignorance.

None of which instills any confidence, Issler.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#290 - 2012-11-16 22:39:42 UTC
Given this is the same person that tried to say that something that can be created by anyone in the game via alchemy is still subject to a monopoly, I'm going to lean towards ignorance.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#291 - 2012-11-16 22:41:08 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Given this is the same person that tried to say that something that can be created by anyone in the game via alchemy is still subject to a monopoly, I'm going to lean towards ignorance.

I +1'd this.

I wish I'd picked up on that, too. Well done.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#292 - 2012-11-16 22:42:18 UTC
"I would expect something to have happened by now to address isk printing machines like tech moons"
"what about alchemy, which is most likely going to end up slashing tech prices to 40k and below?"
"well yeah, but that's not enough!"

I wonder if Issler might be saying this because of a POS which got litlerally blown up.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#293 - 2012-11-16 22:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Lord Zim wrote:
I wonder if Issler might be saying this because of a POS which got litlerally blown up.


The best part? They were Moon Mining towers too.

Wonder why she's not too big on moon mining as A Thing anymore?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#294 - 2012-11-16 22:59:46 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


Finally, I never ran to address null sec issues. Here for the miners of empire!




Well you're certainly doing a good job of representing them.

You know, by poking your nose into stuff and offering your valued opinion on how to fix a situation while understanding literally nothing about the situation.

You know, exactly like Empire miners do.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#295 - 2012-11-16 23:18:40 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

Finally, I never ran to address null sec issues. Here for the miners of empire!

Well you're certainly doing a good job of representing them.

You know, by poking your nose into stuff and offering your valued opinion on how to fix a situation while understanding literally nothing about the situation.

You know, exactly like Empire miners do.

I thought they were AFK and whined a lot when at the keyboard...

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#296 - 2012-11-16 23:23:20 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I thought they were AFK and whined a lot when at the keyboard...


Are you talking about miners or the CSM now?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#297 - 2012-11-16 23:28:12 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I thought they were AFK and whined a lot when at the keyboard...


Are you talking about miners or the CSM now?


Oh snap!

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#298 - 2012-11-16 23:29:34 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I thought they were AFK and whined a lot when at the keyboard...


Are you talking about miners or the CSM now?

Well apart from Issler, the current CSM doesn't seem to have an opinion about anything and are more concerned with being a council of yes-men.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#299 - 2012-11-16 23:39:39 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I thought they were AFK and whined a lot when at the keyboard...

Are you talking about miners or the CSM now?

Well apart from Issler, the current CSM doesn't seem to have an opinion about anything and are more concerned with being a council of yes-men.

There's a representation problem then, see...

Yes-men: These buffs to EHP to stop the ~profitable gankin~ and the cargohold for amazing AFK content are the best ever!

Miners: Waaa. we're being bumped, the EHP does nothing and why even bother with cargohold when we can't mine, aaaaaaaa

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Demonika Satanis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#300 - 2012-11-17 00:06:30 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Game is declining because:

- only now, after a decade, CCP found out that "player base" is not a static concept and new players have to be enticed to stay longer than 2 months before giving up.

- at the same time the old players see some frigates / cruisers revamp, a cosmetic change nobody really asked for, wardecs etc. screwed more than ever, null sec stale like CIA's director David Petraeus's wife.

- at the same time CCP announced that next patch(es) are more of the same (revamping BCs etc), that is they won't deliver true new content along with revamps of the past.



I have recently come BACK to eve, i found other mmo's to be lacking i quit for close to 4 years. yes they need to do more to entice new players to come, however the game its self is amazing.