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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#1 - 2012-11-16 19:28:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tul Breetai
... I keep getting friends and colleagues WARNING!!1! me about the dessie/BC skill changes. To maximize the freebees, they inform me, you will need:

Racial frig IV
Dessie V
Racial Cruiser IV
BC V


... except that's not true, according to http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530. In actuality, it's racial cruiser III (3). Presumably more of you out there are still confused, so here's a free advice thread. Of course, if you're already aware of this, feel free to post a cleverly EVE-related joke.

"Let us repeat again: if you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change."

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Meta Reloaded
#2 - 2012-11-16 21:10:06 UTC
The BC racial split isn't coming with this winter's expansion. Only the dessy split is. The BC one is next summer, so no need to worry hugely about that.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-11-16 22:14:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
None of the skill changes are coming in December, to quote from the aforementioned link

Quote:
As announced at the beginning of the year, skill requirements will be modified when we are done overhauling tech1 battlecruisers and battleships.


and

CCP Fozzie wrote:
I'll come right out and say the skill changes will not come on December 4th with Retribution but that you should still seriously consider taking them into account when you pick your next skills.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2146465#post2146465
Hunk Rockfist
Homowners
#4 - 2012-11-16 23:33:39 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
None of the skill changes are coming in December, to quote from the aforementioned link

Quote:
As announced at the beginning of the year, skill requirements will be modified when we are done overhauling tech1 battlecruisers and battleships.


and

CCP Fozzie wrote:
I'll come right out and say the skill changes will not come on December 4th with Retribution but that you should still seriously consider taking them into account when you pick your next skills.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2146465#post2146465


But to put things in perspective, there's this tidbit from CCP Ytterbium's Dev Blog on November 6, 2012

"With this in mind, it becomes quite obvious to focus on training the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills before the change to get the maximum return effect. We highly recommend you start doing so now." (emphasis in original)


http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-11-17 02:16:02 UTC
I believe this is the reason why they are suggesting people place an urgency on getting it trained to level 5.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2149156#post2149156
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#6 - 2012-11-17 04:51:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tul Breetai
THEY'RE NOT COMING WITH RETRIBUTION THIS DECEMBER. There is still some debate, but logic dictates we have at the very least another 50 days or so. All I'm pointing out here is that, in the end, you only need the cruisers at 3 if you're looking for max free sp, and I'm pointing that out because it seems like a lot of people don't realize that.

And as linked above, "Only rational integers need apply Smile" - CCP Fozzie. That sucks...

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2012-11-17 14:30:31 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
... I keep getting friends and colleagues WARNING!!1! me about the dessie/BC skill changes. To maximize the freebees, they inform me, you will need:

Racial frig IV
Dessie V
Racial Cruiser IV
BC V


... except that's not true, according to http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530. In actuality, it's racial cruiser III (3). Presumably more of you out there are still confused, so here's a free advice thread. Of course, if you're already aware of this, feel free to post a cleverly EVE-related joke.

"Let us repeat again: if you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change."



Well yes, but the T1 frigates and cruisers are getting huge buffs, so why not train the skills to IV anyway?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dave stark
#8 - 2012-11-18 00:09:01 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
... I keep getting friends and colleagues WARNING!!1! me about the dessie/BC skill changes. To maximize the freebees, they inform me, you will need:

Racial frig IV
Dessie V
Racial Cruiser IV
BC V


... except that's not true, according to http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530. In actuality, it's racial cruiser III (3). Presumably more of you out there are still confused, so here's a free advice thread. Of course, if you're already aware of this, feel free to post a cleverly EVE-related joke.

"Let us repeat again: if you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change."


nope, you can leave racial cruisers at III, other than that they're correct.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-11-19 07:26:30 UTC
IIRC Racial Cruiser requires you to have Racial Frigate IV, so the part about Frigs IV can be considered true if you're aiming at battlecruisers.

Sincerely yours, cpt. O.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#10 - 2012-11-19 07:40:31 UTC
It's like none of you understand what you are reading...

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Dave stark
#11 - 2012-11-19 09:06:15 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
It's like none of you understand what you are reading...


i understand that what your friends told you was wrong, cruisers IV isn't needed. only III.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#12 - 2012-11-20 19:27:16 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
It's like none of you understand what you are reading...


i understand that what your friends told you was wrong, cruisers IV isn't needed. only III.


Cruisers 4 will be a prerequisite for the new Battlecruiser skill. However anyone with the general cruiser skill trained will be granted the racial battlecruiser skills at that level for each racial battlecruiser you can currently fly. If you could fly it before you can fly it after.

What this means is anyone who is granted the new racial skills could only have the cruiser skill to 3. you will still be able to fly the ship as the perquisite of cruiser 4 is basically only needed to inject the skill book if you are training it from scratch.

You will not be auto granted the cruiser skill to 4 just from it being a perquisite, but you will be able to fly the battlecruisers as you will have the skill even though you do not have the cruiser 4 perquisite.

That being said I would not be surprised if there were unintentional bugs created by flying the ship without the prerequisites filled. Cruiser 4 is only a couple days each race so I plan on training them up anyway. Training battlecruisers to 5 on all my combat toons has placed me well on my way to cross training all the races ships.

Training cruisers to 4 will unlock that races battleships which can be trained to 3 in 1 day each. This will give me access to every sub cap T1 ship in the game and the pirate faction ships as well. certainly worth the extra 9 day to cross train every race to battleship. All my toons already hyave at least one races battleship skills. so it only means training 3 cruiser skills to 4 and 3 battleships skills to 3 which will only take me about 9 days.
Miranda Attor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-11-21 01:23:28 UTC
Bugsy, you made my head hurt. Are you trying to make this difficult?

Racial Cruiser IV may be a pre-req of the new racial Battlecruiser skills but RIGHT NOW you only need Cruiser III (plus Battlecruiser skill) to be able to fly a Battlecruiser.

So, if (like me) you have all 4 racial Cruiser skills at III then train Battlecruisers to V you WILL receive all four Racial Battlecruiser skills at V after the change.

Don't know if they'll bump your Cruiser skills as well for neatness, tho', but it would be nice...
Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-11-22 16:59:31 UTC
I have 28 days until BC V completes. Wonder if it's worth training Destroyers V before it though... don't want to take the risk :P Unless the destroyer skill changes are coming with the next patch?

[center]"The entire British empire was built on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one mate. You're mistaken."[/center]
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-11-23 15:46:17 UTC
Sasha Khaine wrote:
I have 28 days until BC V completes. Wonder if it's worth training Destroyers V before it though... don't want to take the risk :P Unless the destroyer skill changes are coming with the next patch?


Train destroyers now. Destroyers change IS coming with the patch, Battlecruisers ISNT (and even if it was, you wouldn't make it anyway).

CCP have confirmed that you won't get "partial credit" for partly trained skills; if you're 5000 SP short of Destroyers V when the change goes through, you'll only get Destroyers 4 on the other races.

So train Destroyers.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#16 - 2012-11-23 18:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tul Breetai
Ok, there still seems to be some confusion, so here:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530

Quote:
Let us repeat again: if you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change. Technically it means if you are able to fly an Oracle by having Amarr Cruisers 3 and Battlecruisers 3, we will remove the Battlecruisers skill from your character and give you Amarr Battlecruisers at 3. If you had Battlecruisers at 3 and Caldari Cruisers 3 instead, you would not receive Amarr Battlecruisers but the Caldari Battlecruisers skill at 3 instead. The same principle work with the Destroyers skill.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2155506#post2155506

CCP Fozzie wrote:
We'll do the destroyer and battlecruiser skills in one batch, after the BC and BS rebalance is done.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145578#post2145578

CCP Fozzie wrote:
Want to make this clear to everyone, the stuff in this blog is not coming on the 4th with Retribution. This blog covers some of what we are going to be working on in the beginning of next year.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2146465#post2146465

CCP Fozzie wrote:
I'll come right out and say the skill changes will not come on December 4th with Retribution but that you should still seriously consider taking them into account when you pick your next skills.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2149156#post2149156

CCP Fozzie wrote:
Only rational integers need apply Smile


The reason I started this thread is because people weren't bothering to check the actual skill requirements for max sp gain, and then were spreading misinformation to other players. In this case relatively harmless, but also relatively stupid, and incorrect regardless. This thread is redundant at this point, IB4L P

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Matt Grav
Wrath of the Pea
#17 - 2012-11-26 17:03:20 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Train destroyers now. Destroyers change IS coming with the patch, Battlecruisers ISNT


No it isn't. Neither of the Destroyer or Battlecruiser skill changes are happening in this upcoming release.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-11-28 16:11:23 UTC
The cruisers to IV only makes sense if you don't have BC to IV - as in this case, you can then unlock and train the BS skills before you need to have the racial BC to IV to unlock it.

But who would bother training all cruisers to IV when you can train to BC IV quicker (and then start on BC V)?

After the change, if you had all cruisers to 3 and BC to 4, then you can train all BSs.
Right now, you need all racial cruiser skills to 4 to unlock all racial BS skills.

Its not a big distinction, and given the incentive to get BC as high as you can, the cruisers to 4 is utterly redundant.