EVE General Discussion

Wouldn't work, the EVE economy is dependent on conflict happening. Without things being broken there is no reason for anyone to buy more than a few of any item so demand becomes basically zero. Everyone but mission/incursion runners would suffer because mission/incursion runners can exist in their own little bubble. Mission runners and incursion runners shouldn't be insulated as they are now though, reduce mission/incursion bounties significantly and increase LP gain to compensate.

Not always. I gave Darkfall as the primary example. That game has even less PvE than EVE. It's pretty much all PvP. There aren't even that many places where NPCs spawn at all. It's a PvP game. And yet, it is considerably easier to die in it than in EVE, in PvE. Combat is much more player-centric: you attack and dodge in real time. If an enemy approaches you and swings and you don't dodge or block, you take a hit. Repeat a few times, and you die. Dodging projectiles and spells, etc., etc. It's a lot more challenging than EVE. And there's certainly no such thing as AFK farming, unlike in EVE.



Well, sometimes you can't stop them from running. You could be rooted yourself (in WoW, Razormanes and Furbolg shamans that do this), or your ranged attack could miss, or be on cooldown, or you have no rage to execute. What have you. Lots of reasons why a runner could succeed. In EVE, there's really no such thing. If you slap a Webifier on someone, they stay webbed until they get out of range or you run out of cap or you switch it off. There's no "counter" in EVE, you can't dispel it or trinket out of it or pop an immunity or anything of that nature. This makes EVE combat (both PvE and PvP) very primitive and binary in nature.



Umm, you don't lose everything in EVE when you die. You lose only what you're flying. You don't even lose your implants and whatnot in PvE. Compare that to Darkfall or Mortal, where if you die everything you have drops. The only exception are items you put in the bank. And unlike EVE stations, banks are very few and very far apart - usually only at major city and your guilt town if you build one there. In other words, the likelihood of literally losing everything in PvE exists in that game, but I really haven't heard of it happening in EVE.

Further, consider this EVE adage: fly only what you can afford to lose. Assume everyone follows it. I know I do. So what does a loss of a ship REALLY mean? Nothing! It's an affordable loss! lol That's what I don't get about people claiming EVE is so hard. Not to mention you get a nice chunk of change back if your ship is insured. Unlike in those other games, where there is no insurance. In vanilla WoW it was ENTIRELY possible to go completely broke in PvE. I had nights of failed raiding where my warrior ended up with broken gear and weapos and 20+ gold repair bill. Back then, 20 gold would take a week or more to farm. It was a very palpable loss for just a few hours of PvE.



What's dumbing down have to do with it? I'm suggesting CCP make PvE considerably harder. An order of magnitude harder. And much more player-skill based. How is that in any way, shape or form dumbing down the game? Further, I'm suggesting if such move was made, PvP would no longer be required to drive the economy, there would be sufficient losses in PvE alone to drive the economy, and PvP would just be icing on the cake.



I know what you mean about WoW. Vanilla was magical, but then it got worse and worse with each passing year. However, there's some severe flaws with having a small player base, quality or otherwise.

The main issue is that this is unstable. When you have 10 million subscibers, you can lose a million and hardly even feel it. But in EVE, losing 100k subscibers, for whatever reason, even temporarily, could be death for the game. There's very small margin for error here.

Also, I'm not sure about the quality. That is to say, I've interacted with EVE players that were borderline braindead. And I've had the privilege to be part of guilds in WoW that were absolute gems, comparable to good corps in EVE. People are people. Some are good, some not so much.

Also, while I'm all for complexity, there's such a thing as unnecessary complexity. Complexity that doesn't improve quality of the game. Just complexity for complexity's sake. This is actually a design flaw in my book.

Too much ying not enough yang?

It would be nice if we could build a monument, something like a Dyson Sphere around Jita's sun.

Or even just letting players buy and run their own stations (obviously with concord restrictions i.e. no restricting people from entering, no stupid names) for insane amounts of ISK.