Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I live in a wormhole. There are no afk cloakers. Why is that you may ask?

No local. We can't tell if there's someone in system or not cloaked up.

That's the real issue, and you refuse to address the issue.

No it isn't.

I do. And this should stay viable/safe on safespot.

I had a better post typed out but this forum for some reason likes to crap out and eat my post (how about you?) Ill detail it later but I consider "bad" AFK to be in the range of an hour or other long extended periods of time. My plan would have you decloaked within 30-45 mins depending.

Why not just create a new system upgrade


SYSTEM CLOAK JAMMER

just like a system cyno jammer.

160 activate timer, effects ALL CLOAKS in system, friend and foe.

Costs the system owner to maintain for a little added security



Just another idea how it COULD be implemented.

I leave the debate as to whether it does/doesn't need to be implemented to all of you.

After reading most of the discussion, I must say that I fail to see the OP as anything else than a carebear whine.

First of all, the only relevant point the OP is claiming is that basically due to AFK cloakers and their ability to make "free kills", nullsec is not safe enough for people engaging in any sort of PvE. Well, guess what - it shouldn't be. Nullsec, and WH space are considered to be the end-game of EVE and should therefore NOT provide their established dwellers with significant amounts of safety.

Second, the term "free kill" that is frequently used is really bugging me. If by "free kill" you consider a loss of a ship against overwhelming force, then lets be real, at least 70% of all kills in EVE could fall into this category.

Furhtermore OP proposes a mechanic that would effectively destimulate people from AFK cloaking by providing a tool which would allow the opposing party to make, guess what - "free kills". The rationale for this mechanic is "allowing the opposing side to fight back". Well, there is already a pretty well established method for fighting back cloaky stalkers and it's called baiting. Note that this method would be even more easy to deploy in a no-local environment.

I, like Ingvar am also a WH dweller, and i completely support his idea about cloak removing from local.

I also spent quite some time in nullsec so I think i have a pretty good idea how are things done there.

So, let me just make a quick comparison of how things are done in WH vs nullsec, PvE wise:

When you go PvE, you (in a group or just yourself) simply go and rat/mine/anomaly/whatever in your PvE ship of choice, and all you have to do is keep an eye on local. If you see a neut/red appear, you simply warp to safety and wait until the threat is gone. I know, life in nullsec is tough. But things get even worse - sometimes some neut/red prick decides to park his cloaky ride in system and go AFK, making you very nervous. Now, that is the very definition of hell.

On the other hand, when we decide to go PvE in a WH, first of all, the entire system is scanned down. After every sig is accounted for, a scout (usually an alt) is placed on every WH in system, and probes are deployed in order to detect any new sig appearing during the op. If we are doing PvE in a hostile system (any other than our own basically), then a scout is placed on every POS in sys. Note that all those scouts require ACTIVE monitoring. Also note that all these measures still DO NOT prevent the threat of AFK cloakers.

So, WH way of doing PvE requires a great deal of teamwork and organisation as opposed to nullsec. The only significant difference being that, yes, you can be hotdropped in nullsec. But hotdropping also requires teamwork and organisation from the opposing side, plus the risk of being baited and massacred.

I think I don't have to go furhter with this, but I will because I missed a very important detail - above comparison assumes that you are actually doing your PvE and not your bot! You can dismiss all my reasons which support the current cloak mechanics (and even further it by removing cloaked ships from local) as being subjective, but you simply cannot ignore the fact that what you're proposing will essentially make botting in nullsec even more profitable!

Let me just remind you that botting in high class WH systems is practically impossible due to 2 important things:
1. The sleepers are very nasty NPCs, that will almost certainly web/scram/neut/dps you to death in seconds if you attempt to do them solo.
2. THERE IS NO LOCAL!

i dont know why, but i read this in a kind of badass old man voice.

also, betcha your right on the money about OP

If you cant do a quick warp off within a 30 min period I don't know what to tell you. Then again it shows how unbalanced AFK cloaking and the entire system in general is when cloakers complain that once every thirty mins is too much while small alliances and corps they love to plague have to organize by a huge factor just in the hope to deter you from a hotdrop.



After I saw his sigline I read his posts as the man in that Taco bell commercial. What was it.. The volcano taco or somthin?

the problem why people cry for an anticloak "solution" is they think the space is theirs, so they claim the right to kick out everybody of "their" systems - this is where they fail.

The space isnt yours, you should not have the right and tools to blob the **** everybody out of a given 0.0 system,
just for doing your business in full safety.


Paying sov or rent (lol) doesnt make the space being yours, if others camp and hotdrop you in the area you live in, you are living in a hostile area, disregarding your TCUs.

yeah thats what I mean, be at PC or get the **** blobbed out.
But there is nothing wrong with being afk waiting for something to happen. You can afk dock forever as well.