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Goons - two years on the tech moons - how you guys feel about that, question about game future

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#221 - 2012-11-16 17:13:02 UTC
Prez21 wrote:

Nice kill dont think anyone has ever done that before Roll
Ive been in groups that have fought outnumbered all through my eve life, i enjoy it, i just dont think the game should be as easy as it is. Im not trying to get rid of huge blobs or want small scale pvp to be boosted, i just want to see the game become harder, i think its been dumbed down.


In empire I can agree with you. The Mack EHP buff is a fine example of this.

0.0 however no, if people dont attack us then its no wonder we have an easy time. It is entirely up to the players to come and attack us. Demanding CCP to come and nerf us makes you just as bad as the miners.
Prez21
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#222 - 2012-11-16 17:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Prez21
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Prez21 wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Prez21 wrote:
This is the problem though alliance 1 never fights back anymore, they sit in there stations and avoid fights. They only ever fight back when alliances 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10..........99 turn up to hold there hands.
Most alliances dont even try and remove small hostile groups from there space on there own.

That's a problem with the alliances, not the mechanics. Fortunately there's such a thing as sov which if working properly would disincentivize ignoring hostile gangs in their space.

We love fights and have no problems engaging small groups roaming about in our space, providing we're in our own space and not off somewhere else.

The mechanics allow the alliances to do this though. Im not having a go at your alliance so dont think this is personal.

I don't. It was obvious to me that you weren't talking about RAZOR. Blink

Prez21 wrote:
The fact is due to ame mechanics its easier to ignore hostiles in your space then to form up and fight, how can that be right for 0.0 space?

Well generally as hostiles you do have to be disruptive enough to make them take notice. If they know you're just going to be there for a few hours to harass them and then leave, they'll just ignore you. In fact that's probably exactly what they do since it's not exactly a secret that Verge of Collapse is a wormhole alliance. They know you're not going to be sticking around. If you weren't a wormhole alliance I'd be willing to bet they'd treat you a bit differently. Maybe if you started camping systems, taking sov, destroying POSes, the kind of stuff that actually bothers us, instead of flying around looking for targets and then moving on...

I understand what your saying, i dont personally want sov, i just want to see more pvp in the game and not just one huge coalition steam rolling another.

If my alliance wanted sov, im confident we could go attack quite a few alliances and put up a good showing, we wouldnt be able to kill the big groups cause we dont have the numbers but we could fight some of the smallers alliances, but i can tell you know exactly what would happen. The alliance we would attack would let us camp there space hit there poses and kill a few of there members and do nothing, but once there sov was in danger they would have 500 people turn up to defend it from various allies so no pvp happens.
Melvin Coulter
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#223 - 2012-11-16 17:15:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Melvin Coulter
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Game is declining because:

- only now, after a decade, CCP found out that "player base" is not a static concept and new players have to be enticed to stay longer than 2 months before giving up.

- at the same time the old players see some frigates / cruisers revamp, a cosmetic change nobody really asked for, wardecs etc. screwed more than ever, null sec stale like CIA's director David Petraeus's wife.

- at the same time CCP announced that next patch(es) are more of the same (revamping BCs etc), that is they won't deliver true new content along with revamps of the past.


Yeah but what they could / should make ? I mean CCP to make this situation better ? Let be constructive. Or its just OVER ?


You want ccp to do something? Like what? War Dec the goons?

The goons have played the game like you're suppost to and you're upset? CCP could care less what the goons do. (Personal opinion) I mean really what do you expect them To do?

Move along!
Prez21
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#224 - 2012-11-16 17:16:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Prez21 wrote:

Nice kill dont think anyone has ever done that before Roll
Ive been in groups that have fought outnumbered all through my eve life, i enjoy it, i just dont think the game should be as easy as it is. Im not trying to get rid of huge blobs or want small scale pvp to be boosted, i just want to see the game become harder, i think its been dumbed down.


In empire I can agree with you. The Mack EHP buff is a fine example of this.

0.0 however no, if people dont attack us then its no wonder we have an easy time. It is entirely up to the players to come and attack us. Demanding CCP to come and nerf us makes you just as bad as the miners.

I dont want ccp to nerf you, this isnt aimed at goons, i just think that many alliances and some are members of your coalition are able to keep there space while never having to fight for it.

Like i said all i want is more pvp, the current game mechanics favours forming one huge blob at a certain time and sticking in xyz system.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#225 - 2012-11-16 17:18:55 UTC
Prez21 wrote:
Most alliances dont even try and remove small hostile groups from there space on there own.


And they should never ever do that if somehow their leaders have at least 2 neurons working fine.

A living place like null is when you have to deal with afk cloackers, small gangs doing the hit&run tactic, the solo guy with his cloaky T3 ganking here and there idiots unable to read intell chans or just trying to get a fight.
Small entities or groups of players are needed to keep null sec pvp content interesting and not only all about large fleets and structure shooting.

I'm completely opposed to anyone idea of completely clean/remove/perma camp whatever little entity doing their stuff in null NPC space unless they become really annoying because first enemy front (this is quite easy to spot however)
Null needs more NPC systems with stations and services but less number of systems in the same constellation so small entities can go there do carebearing stuff, pvp, gank whatever they please because it's the only way to make of null a living place where not everyone is blue to everyone, unlike many idiots think.

brb
Prez21
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#226 - 2012-11-16 17:24:32 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Prez21 wrote:
Most alliances dont even try and remove small hostile groups from there space on there own.


And they should never ever do that if somehow their leaders have at least 2 neurons working fine.

A living place like null is when you have to deal with afk cloackers, small gangs doing the hit&run tactic, the solo guy with his cloaky T3 ganking here and there idiots unable to read intell chans or just trying to get a fight.
Small entities or groups of players are needed to keep null sec pvp content interesting and not only all about large fleets and structure shooting.

I'm completely opposed to anyone idea of completely clean/remove/perma camp whatever little entity doing their stuff in null NPC space unless they become really annoying because first enemy front (this is quite easy to spot however)
Null needs more NPC systems with stations and services but less number of systems in the same constellation so small entities can go there do carebearing stuff, pvp, gank whatever they please because it's the only way to make of null a living place where not everyone is blue to everyone, unlike many idiots think.

I dont think you understood what i was say.
cBOLTSON
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#227 - 2012-11-16 17:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: cBOLTSON
Gonns are not undefeatable. Just look at what NC. and friends were able to accomplish by themselves OUTNUMBERED!

I also heard that goons were taking a bit of a blow to morale while fighting NC. Just imagine if solar and forces (Or mabye even -a-) joined in AGAINST the goons?

Besides if empires fall there is allways more people, or someone else with a vision looking to take some space and project dominance :)

p.s To echo what someone said above, NPC nullsec is great for smaller entities looking to build up.

The good old days of Unreal Tournament, fragging and sniping on Facing Worlds, listening to Foregone Destruction.......
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#228 - 2012-11-16 17:27:27 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Prez21 wrote:

I dont want ccp to nerf you, this isnt aimed at goons, i just think that many alliances and some are members of your coalition are able to keep there space while never having to fight for it.

Like i said all i want is more pvp, the current game mechanics favours forming one huge blob at a certain time and sticking in xyz system.


Goons make up something like 1% of the population. Is it our fault the other 99% isnt attacking us constantly?

Holding the amount of space we do is only easy if the rest of EVE does nothing.
Prez21
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#229 - 2012-11-16 17:29:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Prez21 wrote:

I dont want ccp to nerf you, this isnt aimed at goons, i just think that many alliances and some are members of your coalition are able to keep there space while never having to fight for it.

Like i said all i want is more pvp, the current game mechanics favours forming one huge blob at a certain time and sticking in xyz system.


Goons make us something like 1% of the population. Is it our fault the other 99% isnt attacking us constantly?

Holding the amount of space we do is only easy if the rest of EVE does nothing.

You keep quoting me and defending goons, when ive clearly stated im not aiming what im saying at you.
I just believe that avoid fights in 0.0 is too easy, i just want more pvp in eve, that includes high sec, low sec, whs and especially 0.0.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2012-11-16 17:32:37 UTC
Prez21 wrote:
You keep quoting me and defending goons, when ive clearly stated im not aiming what im saying at you.
I just believe that avoid fights in 0.0 is too easy, i just want more pvp in eve, that includes high sec, low sec, whs and especially 0.0.

So ***** at CCP until they make it detrimental to use the "wait till they get bored" defense?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Melvin Coulter
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#231 - 2012-11-16 17:37:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Prez21 wrote:

I dont want ccp to nerf you, this isnt aimed at goons, i just think that many alliances and some are members of your coalition are able to keep there space while never having to fight for it.

Like i said all i want is more pvp, the current game mechanics favours forming one huge blob at a certain time and sticking in xyz system.


Goons make up something like 1% of the population. Is it our fault the other 99% isnt attacking us constantly?

Holding the amount of space we do is only easy if the rest of EVE does nothing.

1%? Careful you'll give someone an idea...

Move along!
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#232 - 2012-11-16 17:59:03 UTC
Thirteen pages of:

"Goons have to much power/Tech/blue list."

Goons respond with, "Fight us."

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Melvin Coulter
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#233 - 2012-11-16 18:02:27 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Thirteen pages of:

"Goons have to much power/Tech/blue list."

Goons respond with, "Fight us."

Makes for good reading in class

Move along!
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2012-11-16 18:05:01 UTC
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#235 - 2012-11-16 18:43:25 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Prez21 wrote:
You keep quoting me and defending goons, when ive clearly stated im not aiming what im saying at you.
I just believe that avoid fights in 0.0 is too easy, i just want more pvp in eve, that includes high sec, low sec, whs and especially 0.0.

So ***** at CCP until they make it detrimental to use the "wait till they get bored" defense?

Your probably right, i should moan at ccp, but to be honest i dont think ccp really cares too much about making eve a harsh, cruel universe like it once was, in CCPs own words they need to htfu.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#236 - 2012-11-16 19:10:35 UTC
Goons owning all those moons has not affected my gameplay in any shape or form.

Probably because I don't live near them.

My advice- if you don't like the neighborhood; move.

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Itis Zhellin
#237 - 2012-11-16 19:15:15 UTC
I'm a new player and I had tyo say that I kinda hate these goons. Exactly because I'm new. Otherwise I think Im a goon by myself. I had read about their history and I just loved it. They were the rebel kids whom to fuk off with the big elitisjerks. And I love every word of Rebel.

But in EVE, goons means the fukin bad guys. Miners are bad. No ****. How about our miner who are the real zombies? Just visit teir indy 5 systems and you will see some real zombie miing. Difference is trhat you cannot fuuk them cuz theirt muscle. Just open map and see the indy 5 in ghoon space.

I would gather a right click on ur face click band .. but .
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#238 - 2012-11-16 19:17:32 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Goons owning all those moons has not affected my gameplay in any shape or form.

Probably because I don't live near them.

My advice- if you don't like the neighborhood; move.

Do you buy Tech II goods?

Fly Tech II ships?

Then Goons owning all those moons as almost certainly effected your gameplay in some shape or form.

That you were unaware of it only demonstrates its true insidiousness.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2012-11-16 19:23:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mortimer Civeri
Itis Zhellin wrote:
I'm a new player and I had tyo say that I kinda hate these goons. Exactly because I'm new. Otherwise I think Im a goon by myself. I had read about their history and I just loved it. They were the rebel kids whom to fuk off with the big elitisjerks. And I love every word of Rebel.

But in EVE, goons means the fukin bad guys. Miners are bad. No ****. How about our miner who are the real zombies? Just visit teir indy 5 systems and you will see some real zombie miing. Difference is trhat you cannot fuuk them cuz theirt muscle. Just open map and see the indy 5 in ghoon space.

I would gather a right click on ur face click band .. but .

Funny that, I don't see any indi5 systems in Goonspace. IRC space they are everywhere. Are you sure you have your map setings right? Given your semiliterate rambling, I will be generous and say that you probably have your map settings wrong.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#240 - 2012-11-16 19:36:26 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Funny that, I don't see any indi5 systems in Goonspace. IRC space they are everywhere. Are you sure you have your map setings right? Given your semiliterate rambling, I will be generous and say that you probably have your map settings wrong.


he's probably looking at the base sov level

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