Warfare & Tactics

Its not that I doubt XG did what he said, its just that its meaningless. Its not objective or statistically significant. We all can have a lucky streak. The question is if I spend decide to spend say 20 hours a month logged in looking for pvp how many decent fights am I going to average. I am getting about one every hour and a half.

The amarr intel channels that I am part of, are not really buzzing with intel that is true. It would be easy to blame others but I rarely post my intel there either. So yeah its true amarr could likely do much better.

However what chatgris described seemed to have very little to do with intel channels. He just jumped in his ship and went around 3 systems. Maybe I am wrong though.

My main intel is knowing what systems are contested and what systems I know minmatar base out of. I mainly hit dal, vard, Ezzara, arzad, auga, kourm, lamma. Sometimes I head out around sahtogas but it really hasn't been fruitful.

I don't usually hit huola because I simply cant compete with the boosted frigates orbitting my cruiser/destroyer/frigate at 30k. I don't mind that minmatar use boosters its just that I admit I can't compete with them, so I tend to stay out of the systems where i know they are used allot. Same thing happened with arzad for a while. It seemed everytime I wanted to run a plex a hookbill that could point me at 30k and sensor damp me so I couldn't target anything over 20k would swoop in and I would just have to warp out.

I think allot of people lose track of time playing eve. They just don't realize how much time goes by waiting for fleets to form etc. I know I used to be that way. I think if people really started timing themselves from the time they log on they would find that they really only get 1 decent fight per 1.5 hours.

What chatgris did wasn't statistically significant but at least it was objective. You can look at his killboard and see he got fights in a set amount of time. I think that was a way above average number of fights per 2 hour session. If you look at XG's posts he comes here posting about how he got a kill in 2 seconds but then you see it takes another 2 hours for the next kill(or loss). Then another 2 hours for the next. XGs posts are neither statistically significant or objective.

If people could get decent fights then the killboards should show that again and again. Playing eve for 2 hours straigt is not that unusual.

But fair enough, I will try some more roams. Perhaps the last three roams I did were unusually dry. I admit they were not statistically significant either.

Nothing you say will convince him that's he's wrong. He can't get fights and so he assumes that nobody can get them. I stated I can get fights (not kills) within 10 minutes of logging on and he said "No way". Several case studies over the last two days shows otherwise, but they are then dismissed as a "fluke". Whatever. Carry on. chatgris showed him that he can get lots of fights over a two hour period yesterday, but "that is not statsitically significant".

So, what'cha gonna do? Whatever.

The real audience in these posts is everybody else. You'll never convince Cearain he's wrong, but we do have a chance at convincing the readers that he is wrong. FW (and low sec) is great for casual pvp. If you want to null bear it up and pay your 0.0 overlords rent, go ahead. If you want pvp, come to FW low sec.

XG no one cares that you logged in a few times and got a kill or 2 quickly. The question is on average what can you expect.

I just logged in and got 2 decent fights within 45 minutes of signing in. But those were the only 2 fights I got from 2hours and 25 minutes of roaming and plexing primarilly dal auga huola kourmonen lamaa ezzarra ammamake vard ezzarra arzad and few other quick looks into a few other systems. That was a long 1hour and 35 minutes or roaming around with no fight.

You keep posting about how you got a kill really quick but you keep refusing to answer how many decent fights you get on average per hour or 2 of play.

That is why your posts are worthless to anyone who looks at this rationally.

You can say its because I don't know what I am doing but i have been doing this for years. I was able to get 3-7 fights per 2 hours at the peak of inferno.

Its possible that allot of the people fighting for minmatar are less willing to fight in plexes. I was in a merlin and during my roam I had lone 2 destroyers and a lone comet run when I entered their plexes. If they would have stayed and fought that would have been 5 fights in 2 hours. So its possible its different for the each faction.


Maybe its harder to get pvp when your on the losing side because you waste a higher percentage of your time chasing farmers. Where as when you are on the winning side the enemy is primarilly there for the fights so you don't waste as much time.

It was 6 different fights in two hours.

And to respond to your later comments - I didn't actually use any intel channels to find those fights (I was in comms listening for intel, but I found plenty of my own fights so I didn't move to assist with the intel that was being reported).

One of the fights (two kills) I saw an rvb gang on a gate and I convo'd them to meet me in a plex and they obliged. The rest were just people I stumbled across in my roaming (which was just a loop of a few systems. If I don't have to travel for my pvp, well, I don't :D ).

I admit this was a fairly active stretch of time, but it wasn't extraordinarily active.

Another tactic I use sometimes if it's slow (I didn't use it during this test) is to leave a 0 skill alt afk defensive plexing in a system on one screen while I play WoT on another screen. If a pirate comes in, let the pirate go gcc (keeping them in system for 15 minutes) which gives me time to finish my WoT game, hop into a ship the pirate will fight and go get a fight them return to WoT. Wt's will often stick around in local if you tell them your main is finishing a game of WoT and will log on shortly if they will just wait in the size of plex they wish to fight in.

As soon as someone uploads all AT videos with commentaries (militia matches will suffice), i'm happy to point you to it.

I missed the good stuff too.



I appreciate the offer. I will keep that in mind. But I am not a fan of arranged pvp either. I did allot of arranged 1v1s when I was with rvb, and I am still burned out on it.

The fact that I was posting about how many fights I was getting per hour should have been a clue. That is if we assume you actually read the posts to which you respond.

I will do that. I am not that familiar with the area. So I will need to find a system close to the action I can put some ships in. Preferably one that is fw neutral so I can access them later if I want. High sec is fine I'm only -3.

Odd thing is I saw some caldari who said your front was boring and so came looking for some fights against minmatar.

Based on what you and chatgris are saying that seems odd unless there is something to the theory I proposed. Specifically, that when you fight for the lower tier side you waste more time chasing farmers whereas when you are on the winning side you can be pretty sure enemies in the plexes are there for pvp. So you get more frequent pvp when you fight for the winning side.

Actee is high sec and it is adjacent for Fliet (a system which is the focus of a lot of plexing right now) and Heyd (one of the main gallente home systems: Also Nisuwa and Nennamaila are home systems for gallente).

I get most of my pew pew up around the Kedama area. If you are interested in that area, Rakapas is a very good system to base out of (the most powerful caldari alliance bases out of there). It has easy access to Nennamaila, Nisuwa AND Heyd.

I highly recommend Rakapas for your base of operations - it is a little bit out from Fliet (but only 5 jumps) but a lot of caldari base there, and it's central to the main gallente hubs.

Do gallente still base there? If so, how many say during prime time EU/US are in system usually?

Honest question, haven't been to villore much since, well, 2009.