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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-11-15 11:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
I have to say no either but somehow would like the possibility to change the char name for in game currency only.
This should only be possible after transfer in between accounts (isk gone/money sent to CCP) and purchased exclusively with ton of isk help (couple billions).

Doesn't change corp history.
If some thief/spy can't change his name in his eve career there's no sense on calling it like that.
At some point since you can't get that name on your very red list it's the corp/allinace you're going to put there, meaning at some point you'll not be doing any business with those corps/alliances than throw a couple rounds at their face.

So, name yes, corp history no.

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SkyMarshaller
SkyMarshaller Corp
#42 - 2012-11-15 11:59:40 UTC
Can't see what the problem is with a simple name change for ongoing users (obviously there will be a cost or penalty), as long as all history (esp Corp) is accessible/retained.

What I find hard to accept is that someone could buy a character & instantly change the name - perhaps put a number limit & /or time limit on the availabilty of name changes. This could be similar to a neural re-map, perhaps only allowing a name change after that person has owned the character for say 1 year.
coolzero
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-11-15 12:10:28 UTC
name change...yes but only with a hardcoded AKA (also known as) list so you can always see what names the char had before


corp history removement...mm not sure if thats needed other then maby intel...kinda helpfull to know if a char has been in a corp with known scammers orso so my i say no to this option
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#44 - 2012-11-15 12:19:36 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



Honestly, its the one thing that's kept me from buying a character. Last thing i want is to buy a toon whose name is Fatty McSpankyPants. I think a rename/wiped corp history should only be available if you purchase a toon. After all, when you buy a character there can be a lot of negative history that's hard to know about that comes with it. I think the name change should also have a time limit of like a week. So people who buy a toon can't rack up a history and then a month later change the name.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#45 - 2012-11-15 12:42:31 UTC
Just thought of a cool way to legacy link.

Add a CONCORD Registry ID number, printed plainly on your pod (right click show info, in-game)

This number would only be visible when viewing another player's POD or corpse (pod debris)

Additionally if docked in the same station, you can ask "Scotty" what serial numbers are currently docked, while this won't directly link a name, research would reveal.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#46 - 2012-11-15 12:53:58 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
........ on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile


The reputation of the character is in many ways a window to the player operating the character. If the player changes, does the reputation have any validity? I cannot use it to judge future actions because those actions are from a completely different person! So sure, let the name change.

But what if a player trades a character to themselves, either by transferring it to a second account, or by doing a double transfer using a friend as an intermediary? Then the original name should return so the reputation is once again stuck to the player.

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#47 - 2012-11-15 13:13:36 UTC
How is the reputation of a character even an issue for traded characters? If you buy a known corp thief, you can always direct people to the bazaar thread where they can see that the character has changed hands. Only idiots would distrust you because you play a character that was a thief in another player's hands.

I think CCP could allow a single renaming for characters that can only be used when the character is older than three months but younger than six months. This way people could correct a stupid decision they made when they didn't expect to stay with this game for long and just picked the first silly name that came to their mind.

Other than that, no renaming and no wiping, ever.

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#48 - 2012-11-15 13:15:32 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



Honestly, its the one thing that's kept me from buying a character. Last thing i want is to buy a toon whose name is Fatty McSpankyPants. I think a rename/wiped corp history should only be available if you purchase a toon. After all, when you buy a character there can be a lot of negative history that's hard to know about that comes with it. I think the name change should also have a time limit of like a week. So people who buy a toon can't rack up a history and then a month later change the name.



Hmm. I'll spend years being a corp thief, jumping from corp to corp scamming people for billions and stealing all their stuff, but then I have to stop because no-one will hire me. Oh wait, I don't have to do that at all, I'll just sell myself...to myself. Name change and corp history wipe, thank you that'll do nicely. Now back to doing exactly what I was doing with no repercussions at all because "I'm not the same person anymore".

And if you can't see anything wrong with the above scenario, please get out of EVE and go play solitaire.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-11-15 13:17:43 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:


And if you can't see anything wrong with the above scenario, please get out of EVE and go play solitaire.


Was there really a need to be a jerk about it? Chill out, explain the complication to it so he understands it, and then be done. Antagonising him will just provoke an argument.

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#50 - 2012-11-15 13:17:56 UTC
And this is why I build clean characters to sell. There's a market for them.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#51 - 2012-11-15 13:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
This is already implemented. They are called Titles. You can use them to group roles, but you can also set a specific Title for a person that is NOT tied to any roles. Our corp uses this method to grant people "nicknames". These are optional and do not interfere with the permanence and reputation of a chosen name. Dealing with it's reputation is what you do when you buy characters instead of training them up yourselves.

IRL people can attain new "identities" and I'd support the idea for Eve. The cost to effectively reset your reputation should come with a huge cost or a tremendous effort. I'm not a fan of paying with ISK / AUR / PLEX. I'd rather limit the use of a namechange (once a year perhaps), make it incredibly hard to attain, and it should come with the loss of all and every NPC standing and a full security status reset. Like a CONCORD witness protection program, so to speak. No idea if that would be workable, just my 2 cents.
Iax Masali
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-11-15 13:43:45 UTC
Honestly, I would love to be able to Capitalize the first letter of Characters I have bought, I never bother looking at them in game and on the Forums they always show and a Capital Letter for the First and Last Name. Everything I log on it infuriates me!!!!
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-11-15 13:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jame Jarl Retief
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



Considering you are already allowing to buy and sell characters in the Bazaar, the argument that "your name is your identity and reputation in EVE" doesn't hold water. Too many people have too many alt accounts. Unless you go all the way and link all accounts registered to a name/credit card holder used to buy the copy of the game, and make THAT visible, or limited the game to one character per person (not per account, per person) it makes no sense.

Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Hmm. I'll spend years being a corp thief, jumping from corp to corp scamming people for billions and stealing all their stuff, but then I have to stop because no-one will hire me. Oh wait, I don't have to do that at all, I'll just sell myself...to myself. Name change and corp history wipe, thank you that'll do nicely. Now back to doing exactly what I was doing with no repercussions at all because "I'm not the same person anymore".

And if you can't see anything wrong with the above scenario, please get out of EVE and go play solitaire.


How is that any different from selling your corp thief and buying a blank new character? Heck, if you were a GOOD corp thief, why not just trash your thief and buy a blank new character? How is that any different in the final outcome? It's not. It's just semantics.
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
#54 - 2012-11-16 11:47:50 UTC
I do not even like the idea of buying characters. It is like cheating. Getting a skilled character for real money. So, if you went that road because you did not have the patience to build up your own character then at least live with its history.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-11-16 15:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Chribba wrote:
Why not start selling those SP right away, because this is essentially what it means - with the drawback of you can't allocate them yourself.

In a world where even CCP states that what a pilot do and the actions they take is what can make a difference (the butterfly effect) removing all that history that a pilot did seems pretty much completely against that idea.

I would vote against any such feature for sure, you shouldn't be able to semi-erase that history like that, and potential buyers of a character should look into what they're buying if they're afraid of the history.

/c


Indeed , a char history is something i use at least once a week to checl on someone and should never , ever have the ability to be erased.

I bought 2 chars in my eve time -this one is my own and first creation btw- and i didn't like either name but why would that interfere with the capabilities of the char?What essential difference does it add when you can't change your name if you compare it to the BIG difference it would make if changing name was made possible.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-11-16 15:20:01 UTC
If CCP is facilitating the transfer of the character from one person to another and they are taking a cut of the cost of the transfer then I see no reason why CCP shouldn't facilitate a wipe of that characters history and name so long as they were the ones doing it and they track that characters history of being wiped so as not to allow abuse. One time deal sort of thing.

Character renames should be allowed through PLEX or something anyway. So long as there is a name history tied to the character that everybody can see.

Just my opinion. Likely will never happen anyway.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-11-16 15:21:44 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea

I really don't think a properly implemented name-change mechanic would cause this at all.

Like you said, you could implement a feature that would show all of a person's past names. This in combination with linking their old name to their new name would be all you'd need to do to prevent "wiping the slate clean" per se.

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Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-11-16 15:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Yusef Yeasef Yosef
It's a game, not "real life".

Even in real life you can change your name. Why not in a game as well.

There are many reasons for this. One being that many start playing this game young, and later in life decide that the name they chose while they were in High School isn't exactly what the want anymore. It's not like we are forced to choose our name the day we are born IRL.

It should cost to change your name, maybe a plex, with a cool down of something like a year+. And it should cost to deterimine someone's previous names, maybe LP from a Locator Agent. It shouldn't just be on their info tab.

Btw, finding someone's location in game should cost LP as well. Blink
Maybe exponentially more the farther away they are. Nothing in Eve should be free. Not even information.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-11-16 15:42:12 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



If somebody buys a char off somebody else. I think they should have the option of changing the name atleast.


Why would the character's reputation matter for the new owner? Unless it is a bad rep.

If somebody has a rep as a good PvPer, and the new owner is a carebear... doesn't make sense.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-11-16 15:56:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jame Jarl Retief
Diesel47 wrote:

If somebody buys a char off somebody else. I think they should have the option of changing the name atleast.

Why would the character's reputation matter for the new owner? Unless it is a bad rep.

If somebody has a rep as a good PvPer, and the new owner is a carebear... doesn't make sense.


That's precisely it. And why would bad rep matter anyway? If the character is sold, the "bad rep" accrued belongs to the previous owner, not the new owner. The new owner didn't do anything wrong. A character is just a tool, and tools are immune from being good or evil, they can only be used for good or evil, but in the end it's a human problem, just like everything else. So why should be inherit bad rep anyway? Makes no sense. This is why this whole name change and history issue is really laughable in a game where a character bazaar exists, I'm amazed some people just don't see the logical fallacy of it all.