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Being a (-10) pirate is boring.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-11-16 07:20:49 UTC
I personally know NOONE that regrets even one podkill. Hell - most pirates would pod themself - AND punch little kittens in the face.

Post with your main or GTFO :-)

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Lance Rossiter
CHAINS Corp
#22 - 2012-11-16 07:28:47 UTC
The punitive aspects of security rating loss are pretty important to the unique landscape of low sec, because that's the mechanism that creates the "good guys and bad guys" vibe of the area. I enjoy meeting players on both sides of the division and have equal respect for both, but I think I like low sec more than I'd like null sec because there's more motivation for some of the people to be nice, or at least non-hostile, to strangers.

I'm also in favour of anything that encourages people who live in low sec to source their stuff locally, because I love the idea of getting blown up by weapons I made and sold myself.
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#23 - 2012-11-16 08:05:15 UTC
I did not choose to be negative ten. None the less, here I am. Negative ten and alone. So alone…


I'm a low sec pirate guy
And everywhere I fly
People know the role
I'm playing

I’m camping every gate
And relishing your hate
Every night carebears
I'm slaying

There will come a day
Sec status pissed away
And what will they say about me?

“I wish you were freaking DEAD!”
Then put a bounty on my head
And life goes on
Without me.

'Cause I aint got nobody
Nobody, nobody, cares for me
I'm so sad and lonely
Sad and lonely
sad and lonely
Won't some freighter pilot
Come and take a chance with me?
Cause I aint so bad!
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#24 - 2012-11-16 09:21:49 UTC
CCP response to thread: Working as intended. We can afford to lose certain players.

Player majority response to thread: GTFO belligerent undesirable. People should be able to run missions in low in peace. Also, consequences.

The only sympathy you'll get will come from other pirates who haven't had a "meal" today, and players who experienced this type of play style, and left for the exact reasons you outlined.

CCP has been nerfing both high-sec and low-sec pvp since the game came out. This isn't exactly a new discovery. So the question is, why would they add content to game play aspects that they've consistently diminished for almost an entire decade? You're as likely to see new outlaw content (don't call crapwatch new outlaw content, because it's anything but) as I'm likely to meet hot singles in my area tonight by clicking this pretty banner ad.

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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#25 - 2012-11-16 09:33:22 UTC
-10 is a positive thing. It's a way to encourage people to fight you and a way to put yourself at a handicap to bait them in to a fight. People who don't think -10 is a positive thing are usually people that;
1. Can't do their own logistics, or arent with an alliance that can,
2. Dont understand lowsec PvP
3. Dont like the colour red.

-10 is a wonderful thing, i purposely dont kill rats because of it.
ShadowStarZero
Smile just smile inc
#26 - 2012-11-16 10:01:26 UTC
Extend it too -100!


Smile just smile!
Every One
Triglavian Directive
S h a d o w
#27 - 2012-11-16 10:45:56 UTC
I can't believe my eyes

Pirates who cry about being pirates.

Apparently they enjoy poding and popping up ships, but they also wanna go to high sec to flame in Jita and to show off their wanted bounty.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#28 - 2012-11-16 10:58:16 UTC
I see -10 people flying through high sec all the time, in all sorts of ships, they just don't auto pilot, and don't hang around gates. Unless you fly into Concord space while -10, if you have ok faction standings, I'm not seeing the problem? And if you have it from FW, don't fly into the hostile factions space? It's almost as if you are at war with them and they know it....
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#29 - 2012-11-16 11:00:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Being a pirate isn't about being -10 and living in low sec, it's about making living from killing and ransoms. Simply living in low sec and doing pewpew in and of itself makes you a pvper (nothing wrong with that ofcourse), not a pirate as such.

Thing is that most of the profitable options for piracy are in high sec space as that's where the fat, expensive and easy targets are. Can flipping, mission busting and even wardeccing can be seen as piracy if the outset is to make profit off of it and as you normally don't make much profit from killing another PVPer and it generally also a lot more dangerous it doesn't make much sense for a "true" pirate to engage those targets.

If you mean that low sec is useless and either empty, blobbed or littered with the occasional hotdrop bait then yes you're correct. There's ways for CCP to change this but it would require a massive overhaul on certain things which aren't actually directly related to piracy or even PVP, and because of that it'll never happen.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#30 - 2012-11-16 11:01:31 UTC
OP, are you trying to say there is no challenge in ganking industrial ships, haulers, and rookie frigates? Say it ain't so!
AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#31 - 2012-11-16 11:20:24 UTC
Oregin wrote:
The -10 punishment is pretty crap and not in a 'well it's reasonable and just and keeps me on my toes way'.

Simply being unable to enter highsec in anything that can't evade concord is not fun, doesn't help 'protect' anyone in highsec and simply makes what is, in my opinion, the best bit of EVE (lowsec living and piracy) a logistics nightmare, rather than a risk/reward issue.

I'd argue that -10's should be let freely into highsec without concord intervention and, while we're at it, remove the different steps in this 1.0-0.5 highsec blacklisting altogether.
I can see the idea behind it... keep the scum out of the best suburbs... make them drink in the 0.5 sec cantinas on the edges of civilised space.. yaddah yaddah. But in reality, it doesn't take a hell of a lot for someone to find themselves relegated to a tiny section of space. People quickly get the reaper badge in concord's eyes but in reality, the real 'undesirables' in EVE are the spammers in Jita, not the happy-go-lucky-lowsec-scamps.

Let the -10's enter highsec and risk being shot at?

They want to move that domi? Let them, and let them sneak the damn thing out. It'll make resupply possible (if a bit awkward when they'd obviously have to avoid key market systems in the name of discretion and safety). All the while, everyone else gets to have a go at them: vigiliante justice, that's EVE!

Let them try and flog their spoils, let them move their assets and let them mission if they like! Let them face the risk rather than face certain death at the hands of the faceless gods that make bounty hunting an impossibility.

Let's give the cloaky recons a job to do and let people gatecamp lowsec entrances like the empowered carebear paladins that they want to be!

Let's see noobs scramble to get involved in -10 grabs.

Let's see the true colours of the -10s as they bait and switch those eager beavers who try to take them on without knowing about the hidden logistics and secret ploys.

For God's sake CCP, let us play in the sand.



Thats actually the best idea ive read in a long long time. It makes allot more sense to me. If you are -5 or below you automatically get gate gun aggro in high sec and anyone can attemp to pop you at -10 if they choose, you cna only pop back once they have engaged and concord stay the hell out of it.

Keep in line with the police yourself message being passed around right now and the safety button mechanic stops it from being abused when newer players are involved.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#32 - 2012-11-16 11:22:49 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
OP, are you trying to say there is no challenge in ganking industrial ships, haulers, and rookie frigates? Say it ain't so!

What the OP is trying to say is that play styles have become so polarized between the peeveepees and the peeveeyees that there's really no one to shoot aside from the occasional rookie who drops in by accident. The only combat between players that happens is either when the poor miners/haulers, as you've pointed out, die in high-sec, or when two herds of sheep collide in what is essentially a prearranged null-sec conflict.

This wasn't always the case. There used to be a time, before incursions, FW plexes, and Drakes in C3 wormholes, when people actually went to low to mission, mine, and manufacture. Back then, piracy was an actual profession, and being an outlaw meant something. All it means today is that you have half a million skill points in destroyers and frigate weapons.

I don't think you'd understand or care either way, unless you played back then, or at the very least do any meaningful pvp (ie, not just showing up to a 0.0 op once every three weeks to earn your right to farm the belts and 6/10s) today.

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Spurty
#33 - 2012-11-16 12:53:38 UTC
Low sec gate campers generate as much content and high sec and null sec gate campers

About zero

People that produce ships and modules and structures however do. To some degree they control the tears. Can't cry over your lost Titan fleet if no body had the skill, time, resources to build them

Sitting at gates an popping haulers and cyno ships is not creating content.

Raising sec status for entry back into high sec is the flip to your easy life style. No one cares if that sends your characters to the biomass bin. Loved breaking that news to you.

Enjoy reroling a fresh character

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-11-16 14:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
Confirming no one in tundragon has the same thoughts this guy does.

Too much "waiting for PvP to come to you" and not enough "going out to find PvP" is what makes piracy boring. Bored?

Jump into high and gank a badger that's carrying a hulk

Or roam, which currently is pretty uneventful but likely will get more interesting with retribution FW and crimewatch changes

TunDraGon ~ Low sec piracy since 2003 ~ Youtube ~ Join Us
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#35 - 2012-11-16 14:45:20 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Or roam, which currently is pretty uneventful but likely will get more interesting with retribution FW and crimewatch changes

It's probably going to have the opposite effect. Now that FW has been money-nerfed, activity is probably going to shrink to just a sliver of what it was during the peak plexing months.

I guess that means no more stabbed Incursus kills.

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Ginger Barbarella
#36 - 2012-11-16 14:52:38 UTC
Hey OP, you CHOOSE to make -10 happen. Everything else is just white noise.

0/10

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
flakeys
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-11-16 15:03:14 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I personally know NOONE that regrets even one podkill. Hell - most pirates would pod themself - AND punch little kittens in the face.

Post with your main or GTFO :-)


Mmmm well , i didnt want to pod kill that dude yesterday because we had an OP going on wich required me to be able to fly through 1.0 in a big ship.But then he jumped to a safespot and stayed there for 5 minutes while i was thinking 'your ships down gtfo of low-sec dude '.

Needless to say i scanned him out to show him that it was not a 'safespot' and podded him in the hopes he learns from it.And then i couldn't go on the OP any more.Wich should learn me once again , do not touch the pod even if you rrrrrrrrreally want to.

So now you know someone who regrets having made a podkill ....

On the topic , been -9.9 a few times in my eve career and i HATE grinding sec stat back up so now just occasionally jump into low again but try to keep my sec stat above -2.5 if possible.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2012-11-16 15:12:19 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I personally know NOONE that regrets even one podkill. Hell - most pirates would pod themself - AND punch little kittens in the face.

Post with your main or GTFO :-)


Mmmm well , i didnt want to pod kill that dude yesterday because we had an OP going on wich required me to be able to fly through 1.0 in a big ship.But then he jumped to a safespot and stayed there for 5 minutes while i was thinking 'your ships down gtfo of low-sec dude '.

Needless to say i scanned him out to show him that it was not a 'safespot' and podded him in the hopes he learns from it.And then i couldn't go on the OP any more.Wich should learn me once again , do not touch the pod even if you rrrrrrrrreally want to.

So now you know someone who regrets having made a podkill ....

On the topic , been -9.9 a few times in my eve career and i HATE grinding sec stat back up so now just occasionally jump into low again but try to keep my sec stat above -2.5 if possible.


Nice to meet you :-)

Well in such a long carrier you probably have seen it all.....twice

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-11-16 15:21:05 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
You do realize negative security statuses aren't there to add content but rather to punish you for criminal acts?
Actually, we produce more content than most people with +10.
You seem to know a lot about sec status, tell me more about this 'content' of yours

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Malen Nenokal
HEX Reconnaissance and Reclamation
#40 - 2012-11-16 15:25:58 UTC
Working as intended. Welcome to Buccs Den.