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What I see coming from the new bounty system....

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-11-15 19:13:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Retribution.

That's what the carebears get for being the loudmouths they are.

Irony ?



Thanks CCP ! :)


(edit: oh and whenever i read this bullshit conclusion that maximizing profits means to appeal to a wider range of people)
(hell, i wished all these people would run companies ... wow, they'd make billions !)
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#62 - 2012-11-15 19:14:32 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Aryth wrote:
There is also a 3rd flaw, which I am sure we are going to be happy to illustrate post patch.



Let's see....

Someone puts a bounty on you.... You get into a ship with an insurance payout that matches the cost of the ship. You have your alt kill you. You collect the insurance and the bounty. As long as neither you nor your alt post kill mails, no one knows your alt killed you for the bounty....


The bigger the bounty on you, the bigger the reward for having your alt kill you for the bounty.

Or... is the bounty payout being 1/5th the loss going to be the amount ABOVE insurance payout?

Big smileBig smileBig smile

I mean, YES you have uncovered the fatal flaw.

I strongly reccomend you have an alt blow up whichever character has the bounty on them. Keep at it until you earn at least twice as much ISK as you are losing.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#63 - 2012-11-15 19:22:15 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
The current system has been bad since day one. The new system looks terrific, can someone find a way to grief with it-probably, but if that happens the same system can be used to grief him back. I look forward to this going live.



Yes, the current bounty system is horrid. I disagree that the new system looks terrific.

I think the new system is open to all sorts of unintended uses and exploits, not the least of which will be its use to extort carebears.


Which, of course, is neither an unintended use nor an exploit.

There are many, many uses for the new bounty system on both sides of the law. Frankly if someone is stupid enough to "pay off" someone that put a bounty on their head... completely ignoring the fact that the issuer has no way of recinding a bounty... they deserve the be sheared like the mindless sheep that they are.

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-11-15 19:26:07 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

I strongly reccomend you have an alt blow up whichever character has the bounty on them. Keep at it until you earn at least twice as much ISK as you are losing.


This sounds as if you are trying to be sarcastic, but I miss the point.


Let's say someone puts a 100 million iSK bounty on me.

Let's say there is a cruiser that the hull costs 10 million, and insurance buy is 2 million payout is 12 million.

I buy the hull and insure it. My cost is 12 million.

I undock in unfit hull. My alt drops a can. I steal from it. My alt blows up the ship I was in.

Insurance pays me 12 million and I collect 2 million of the bounty. Profti = 2 million.

I then salvage the wreck with the alt while I dock up and reship.... repeat until the bounty is low enough that it is no longer worth it to continue blowing myself.


Which brings me back to the question.... will the "loss" basis that is used to determine payout only be the amount of loss that is above insurance payout?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#65 - 2012-11-15 19:32:05 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

I strongly reccomend you have an alt blow up whichever character has the bounty on them. Keep at it until you earn at least twice as much ISK as you are losing.


This sounds as if you are trying to be sarcastic, but I miss the point.


Let's say someone puts a 100 million iSK bounty on me.

Let's say there is a cruiser that the hull costs 10 million, and insurance buy is 2 million payout is 12 million.

I buy the hull and insure it. My cost is 12 million.

I undock in unfit hull. My alt drops a can. I steal from it. My alt blows up the ship I was in.

Insurance pays me 12 million and I collect 2 million of the bounty. Profti = 2 million.

I then salvage the wreck with the alt while I dock up and reship.... repeat until the bounty is low enough that it is no longer worth it to continue blowing myself.


Which brings me back to the question.... will the "loss" basis that is used to determine payout only be the amount of loss that is above insurance payout?


Perhaps your first question should be "How does insurance actually work in game?"

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#66 - 2012-11-15 19:52:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Hahahaha.

He's posting to complain and he has literally no idea how the system works.
Seriously, do some reading.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2012-11-15 20:18:45 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


1) 5 months
2) yes, you'll get a notification if someone placed a bounty on you, who did it and how much. if you're a director in a corp/alliance you'll also get that notification if it's placed on corp/alliance

so if you want to place it anonymously you'll have to use an alt or do it through a 3rd party



It is going to suck letting accounts unsub a whole 5 months to clear off the bounty.

Lots of alt accounts will be used to place bounties I guess.


maybe you can just see how it goes. hisec will still be safe and if people gank you you'll gain kill right on said ganker which you can then make available to other people for ISK, so you could make money on that as well.

specially if the ganker is a terrible person, a lot of people want killed



One need simply read the responses in this thread to "see how it will go".

Number of carebears posting about how they look forward to the changes so they can put bounties on griefers: 0

Number of griefers posting how they are drooling at the opportunity to use the new system to increase carebear tears: 23
(intended to be hyperbole... I did not actually count.)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#68 - 2012-11-15 20:19:39 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


1) 5 months
2) yes, you'll get a notification if someone placed a bounty on you, who did it and how much. if you're a director in a corp/alliance you'll also get that notification if it's placed on corp/alliance

so if you want to place it anonymously you'll have to use an alt or do it through a 3rd party



It is going to suck letting accounts unsub a whole 5 months to clear off the bounty.

Lots of alt accounts will be used to place bounties I guess.


maybe you can just see how it goes. hisec will still be safe and if people gank you you'll gain kill right on said ganker which you can then make available to other people for ISK, so you could make money on that as well.

specially if the ganker is a terrible person, a lot of people want killed



One need simply read the responses in this thread to "see how it will go".

Number of carebears posting about how they look forward to the changes so they can put bounties on griefers: 0

Number of griefers posting how they are drooling at the opportunity to use the new system to increase carebear tears: 23
(intended to be hyperbole... I did not actually count.)



Working as intended.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#69 - 2012-11-15 20:23:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


1) 5 months
2) yes, you'll get a notification if someone placed a bounty on you, who did it and how much. if you're a director in a corp/alliance you'll also get that notification if it's placed on corp/alliance

so if you want to place it anonymously you'll have to use an alt or do it through a 3rd party



It is going to suck letting accounts unsub a whole 5 months to clear off the bounty.

Lots of alt accounts will be used to place bounties I guess.


maybe you can just see how it goes. hisec will still be safe and if people gank you you'll gain kill right on said ganker which you can then make available to other people for ISK, so you could make money on that as well.

specially if the ganker is a terrible person, a lot of people want killed



One need simply read the responses in this thread to "see how it will go".

Number of carebears posting about how they look forward to the changes so they can put bounties on griefers: 0

Number of griefers posting how they are drooling at the opportunity to use the new system to increase carebear tears: 23
(intended to be hyperbole... I did not actually count.)


Yes, because both sides having the exact same mechanic in place is grossly unfair to carebears. Big smile

You would do well to actually understand the mechanic first before taking a dip in the sea of mindless panic.

Tell us again how you will make a profit by blowing yourself up with an alt.

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-11-15 20:24:13 UTC
Is there any cargo that always drops? I think maybe PLEX always drop into the wreck... yes? No?



If there are, will those items be calculated into the "loss" price?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#71 - 2012-11-15 20:33:42 UTC
All items have a 50% drop chance as far as I know.

Oh god.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#72 - 2012-11-15 20:46:19 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Number of carebears posting about how they look forward to the changes so they can put bounties on griefers: 0


If they're anything like me, they're letting everyone get tunnel vision on carebears like they so easily do, and remaining conspicuously quiet about who these changes will really affect most.

No sense in arguing things. What happens will happen.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2012-11-15 21:27:53 UTC
...counting the days...

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Devon Krah'tor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2012-11-16 00:55:54 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
I realize that having a bounty does not grant kill rights.

Having a bounty on you makes suicide ganking you profitable. Therefore, people will use the threat of putting a bounty on you as a means of blackmail. That blackmail will be followed through with actual bounties, and increased suicide ganking. Actual bounties and suicide ganks will make carebears unsub., Unsub will cause CCP to make changes.


The argument that carebears didn't drop during hulkageddon ignores mass unsub that caused CCP to make changes to other mining barges.

I've seen what a war dec does to participation in carebear corps. People just do not bother logging in for a week or two. But, usually the war dec goes away before the corp totally disbands. Bounties that do not go away after a week or two.... Death to carebear corps, carebear toons, subscription rates.



Pathetic. Threaten me and I'll unsub. That this is something to even discuss is just wrong. (little jimmy playing baseball) "timmy if you steal second base, we're taking our bat and our ball and we're going home"

Now if only carebears could also use bounties. Its too bad that only 'greifers' have the place bounty button on their neo com. What was CCP thinking? Making a mechanic that only 'mean' people could use.

please, grow a pair.
or get out, I don't care.
Greater.Insight.Skill.Knowledge
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-11-16 01:50:57 UTC
We didn't want those carebears anyway.
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#76 - 2012-11-16 04:05:04 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Pretty sure you don't get an insurance payout when you're paying off a bounty.

That would be epic! Place 5k bounties on everyone to deny them insurance.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#77 - 2012-11-16 04:50:52 UTC
That's not really what I meant but if you still get insurance, that would make paying off bounties a lot easier. I doubt it's worth the effort though.

Oh god.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#78 - 2012-11-16 04:53:19 UTC
What do I see coming from the new bounty system?

Dead people.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#79 - 2012-11-16 05:16:30 UTC
The "pirates" either didn't think this through or are trying to make the "care bears" squirm just a little more because they know they won't have the option very soon. This system is designed to punish people who get criminal flags and it will do what it was set up to do.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#80 - 2012-11-16 05:29:56 UTC
The bounty system is in no way related to crime and punishment. It's just a bounty system.

Oh god.