EVE General Discussion

WoW, 2 Jokes in one quote :D

EvE is not considered "Successful" - If CCP would be a US-corporation, EvE would get dumped or F2P'ed within 2 months.

Secondly, EvE is no pure PvP-game - it absolutely needs PvE as much as it does need PvP.

Stop beeing shortsighted everyone - you can't take away one side of EvE, because the other side needs it.
If you dump PvP for one month - it would have major impact on the economy, dump it for longer and it will kill EvE as a whole.
If you dump PvE for one month - it would have major impact on the economy, dump it for longer and it will kill EvE as a whole.

U see what I did here? Bottom line.

I can tell you exactly what will happen: the belligerent undesirables would all be forced out of the game, and it would then achieve its proper degree of success as an entertainment medium for non-sociopathic people who possess developed moral values and lead normal, socially-accepted lifestyles, unlike the parents' basement-dwelling virgin outcasts who insist on pushing their grief on others in video games as an outlet for their hate toward society.

Wow, you hear that? That's the sound of the point of the post flying way over your head.


Point was that pvp does not equal hardcore and pve does not equal casual. That there are three types of games (pvp, pve and pvpve) and that the pvpve group is a small one and so games to to cater in favor of one of the other two.

IMO, hardcore is someone who prefers to game over other forms of past time while a casual prefers to game when there is nothing else to do.

CCP keeps this game running, the players (with the help of CCP) bring the game world to life. As long as CCP continues to make money, they can continue to keep the game running. The question is, what % of subs are people who are casual and what % of subs are people who are hardcore by the definition stated above? I don't know.

What I do know is that high sec is far more active than low which leaves me to believe that there are more subscribers that favor pve than subscribers that favor pvp. Or at least more that spend most of their time with the pve component whether they favor it or not.


So what would happen if pvp were removed? Well, I think more people would convert to missioning, ratting, killing WH npc's, incursions, etc. It's not like all that exists are pvp corps and indy corps and if you remove pvp all that are left are indy corps with nobody to sell their goods to. If there is too much supply, the value drops and sell orders take too long to get fulfilled. People will see that other things like missioning is where the isk is at and so people will go there. Enough so that the demand for ammo and equipment increases (along with the decrease in suppliers due to the converting) until you get a balance once again.

Hardcore are players living in null for longer than 8 hours a day, paying for their account/s with PLEX bought in Jita, and buying that many PLEX cards in Jita that they then trade them back for PVP ships when they want to roam round in a big group of ships they made for themselves with fittings found solely on local officer / faction spawns that in no way came about from the 1 tengu flying all through their rental space running complexes whilst the miners fuelling hi-sec manufacture with high-end mins had to dock up. Seriously. Especially those Mercoxit miners.

if you define "good" by how much money a company makes from a game, rather than how satisfied the customers are with the game. sure WoW is the pinnacle of achievement.

however there's a damn good reason i let wow expire and created a second eve account.

Casuals don't create game content.

also, a small point not to be overlooked.
wow is cheaper than eve.

so eve can, in effect, do more with less.

I think you missed the point I was making.


How is that a positive case in the specific case of EVE Online?

nope .. the pvp destroy things .. the pve build them up again. Thats what you call content. But my point was that a game like EVE would simply die away if there would be no new game content .. produced not by players but designers and programmers .. who get payed ta ta not in ISK but real money. So if too many players leave EVE because of imbalance you can create as many content as you wish as a player ... EVE would die anyway.



If e.g. all those pirates, psychopaths ect would come to HighSec and bomb all new players away and call them 'stupid noobs' how long would new people come to EVE ? You have losses in EVE ... players leaving the game because of money, time or what ever reason. To fill the gape you have to recruit new players or die.
Don't get me wrong. EVE is freedom. Basically you can do what ever you want to do. But to make a game you want to sell interessting for new customers you have to generate success. What game did you play for longer time and payed for in which you had NO success ? EVE is about economics .. the real world too. But the real world can exist whiout EVE ... but EVE not without the real world.

Mea Culpa .. I did indeed read you wrong.



*sniff* but in regards of pvp .. I was writing about WoT .. aka World of TANKS (not warcraft).