EVE General Discussion

I've been thinking about the notion of a nonviolent Eve: An Eve Online where everybody in high-sec and to a limited extent low-sec can do whatever they want in lieu of any risk at all.

I've stated many times that I think that would be bad for Eve. Often it's pointed out to me that individuals play Eve nonviolently all the time. They say the game goes on just fine without their spaceships exploding or their weapons exploding someone else. I think it's a worthy idea to put this to the test.

Let's all stop shooting each other, bumping each other, and in any other way interfering with each other at all. Let's all just get along for let's say a month or so, just to try it out.

I think this would be a great experiment for Eve. If those who feel different than I do are right, subs will skyrocket and CCP will consider this the best player-generated content of all time. However, if I'm right, concurrent user numbers will flatline as will the values of every single harvestable item in the game.

At that point, if my detractors are correct, it will be clear that value is irrespective of risk. At the same time, if I'm right the value of any "nonviolent" content will be exactly zero.

What do you say guys? A month with no killmails? If you're not sure you can do it, at least chime in with what you think might happen to Eve if we all turned into carebears for a month.

TL;DR: Eve's a violent place by necessity. What do you think would happen if we all stopped shooting each other non-consensually for a month or so?

I would imagine some people would rage quit while others would be happy to wave bye to them.

But that is the question for all games, how do you keep the casuals and the hardcores both happy?

No.

I will stand up and bump for the Code I believe in.

What would happen...well Eve would die, ship and pod need to explode for the Economy to work...EvE's whole economy is driven by the fact that our ships explode.

Would you want to play a game where you just sit and do nothing all day or would you rather blow people up. There are plenty of people who yes would agree, most notably the carebears and the miners, however I'll let you try and convince the null-sec empires to quit shooting things I'm sure Goonswarm and the like will sign right up.

Not to mention that Eve require ships to blow up as part of its central attraction, if you watch all of its trailers since Trinity the largest part of eve showcased is the ability to blow people up or get blown up. taken this aspect from Eve will lead to a MASSIVE drop in number as they leave for other places where they can blow things up.
Star Citizen is in the early works and I'm afraid to say that if it becomes what it has promised to be EvE could very well have its first major contender in the internet spaceship market, therefore it will need to maintain the violent nature it has been built around.

TLDR: This wont work as Eve requires ships to explode to work.

You confuse casual and hardcore with pvp and pve. They are not the same thing.

People who can play the pvpve way are few. For some the pve gets in the way of pvp and off they go playing games like COD, while for others the pvp gets in the way of their pve and off they go.

Any company that simply favors the pvpve only route will fail. You need a way to include one of the other two (bigger) groups. Now eve would be difficult for the pvp only types for two main reasons. 1. From what I read, the pvp is a little too slow paced (compared to COD which allows a person to jump right back in every time they die), and 2. For most it won't be profitable and so they will quickly find themselves broke and thus unable to continue to pvp.

So that leaves the pve'ers for which you need to create a "safe" pocket for them. Such is high sec. It can't be too safe or the pvpve'ers will complain. See, the majority of them are pvp'ers who prefer to engage in pvp with another person who is already engaged in pve and call it pvpve when really pvpve simply means that the two (pvp and pve) are not separate from each other but is rather tied all into one. The fact that two ships can show up at the same belt and engage in three way fight is what makes it pvpve.

Eve would die a slow painful death. The teeming masses who delight in collecting ships like Pokemons would sub for quite a while, happy they are no longer being 'greifed'. Finally the value of building materials would slowly drop and then plummet. ISK would be worthless.

It would take a much much longer time than hardcore PvPers would like to think it would though. There is a substantial amount of people playing this game who simply cannot accept the idea of a ruthless, Darwinian universe based on force and deception, having been spoon fed by years of games/TV/Movies which simulates or give the appearance of ruthlessness, without the actual experience.

As ships will still explode everywhere else (low, null, W and a few in high from NPCs) there will still be a driver to the economy. Not clear if it is sufficient driver. If its not, then consider a lesser experiment: stop suicide ganking and bump griefing. I strongly doubt that either of these drive the eve economy to any great degree.

Now about changes to subscriptions: As its a temporary change I doubt there would be any change. People who like the change would be no more incentivised to remain as it would go away in a month. People who do not like it would just go do stuff elsewhere for a month.

To really see then difference you would need two servers running under different rules.

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The casuals didn't keep this game running for 10 years.

Despite some off-topic posts, the OP is actually about whether or not it would be OK for Eve if we all just got along for a month.

What do you think?

Would more people log in to not shoot other players or what?

By go to the dogs you mean made lots of money.

Let us list all the successful PvP games in order...

Done.