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It's too bad the blueprints aren't on the test server so people could look for themselves ...
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Built cost of cruisrrs are going to increase significantly after Dec 4. So cruisers built before patch will be worth a lot more after patch. I predict threads after Dec 4 complaining about people selling cruisers below built cost.


Want to make easy money? Build cruisers before Dec 4.

Any and all ships that get their mineral values changed will refine for their old values after the patch, so as to prevent the creation of an enormous mineral fountain.

Well i took time for people to notice the mineral change

it will work, cause CCP only does that every time when they increase mineral demands on existing items, smarta**

Also I want to remind you that all depends on how much you paid for the minerals wich will probably be more pre-patch than after.

What are you 12? Where have you been since they did this to mining barges back in September?

But go ahead and pack and repack all 500 of your cruisers. Wait do it twice even...LMAO!

The change to mineral costs of cruisers will be done exactly the same way they did it with mining barges and exhummers.

As they have removed the tiered system, the former tier 1 cruisers will cost more to build. Some will stay the same, and some will drop to bring them all in line.

The change in building costs will affect all BPO's, and BPC's immediately after the patch. I believe jobs installed before the patch will be unaffected but any future jobs from that same BPO, BPC will be affected.

Any added materials will be considered extra materials for the BPO and will not be returned when the ship is reprocessed. Just like with the mining barges. The cost to build them will go up, but reprocessing them will return the same minerals as before the change.

There will be no difference between ships built before dec 4th and ships built after dec 4th. When the patch goes live any existing ships will be automatically changed over to the new specs. Reprocessing any of these ships, regardless if they were built before or after the patch, will return the same minerals, this will not include the extra minerals added with the change.

The reason for this is because if the ships could be reprocessed for the full minerals required to build them after the patch. Any ships built before the patch could then be reprocessed for more minerals than where used to build them. I was a lot simpler to make the added minerals as extra requirements, rather than add code to differentiate between ships built before the patch and ships built after the patch.

It is true however that ships built before the patch at the lower mineral requirements will be sold after the patch for the same price as the ships built with the new mineral requirements. What happened when they did this to mining barges? Well you can still buy them below mineral costs. So many were built before the patch that new ships can not be built for profit at the new mineral requirements. I expect the same to happen with cruisers. After the patch they will not be worth building until the per patch stock piles are depleted.

They will list the lesser of the current and new bill of materials as the minerals needed (and returned when reprocessed), and add the extra needed minerals as "extra" requirements on the BoM. For example:

Current ship:
Tritanium: 10,000
Pyerite: 2,000
Mexallon: 400
Isogen: 100
Nocxium: 25
Zydrine: 4
Megacyte: 1

Let's say that CCP increases the minerals required to build by roughly a quarter, except for Isogen which they reduce by 10%:

Post-expansion ship:
Tritanium: 12,500 listed as 10,000 + 2,500 extra
Pyerite: 2,500 listed as 2,000 + 500 extra
Mexallon: 500 listed as 400 + 100 extra
Isogen: 90 listed as 90 + 0 extra
Nocxium: 30 listed as 25 + 5 extra
Zydrine: 5 listed as 4 + 1 extra
Megacyte: 1 listed as 1 + 0 extra

When you reprocess the ship, you won't get the "extra" minerals back, so a post-expansion ship would actually reprocess into 10 less Isogen. (This is just an example; I don't know which, if any, CCP will affect like that.)

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The only change to that is there are some ships that have had their materials reduced, and those will reprocess at the lower value. So, it would actually be better to reprocess them before the patch, or wait to build them until after.

Were I allowed to refine the cruisers I have building at their new values, I would produce nearly a full titan's worth of minerals out of thin air, just on my own. Of course, were I allowed to do that I'd probably be building a heck of a lot more of them. The concept of a "mineral fountain" from these changes is a valid concern, so you have no idea what you're talking about.

Also, "affected" is the word you want, not "effected". Regardless, if you actually believe there's a way to reprocess the ships at their new value, well, I've got 5,241 Procurers that I'll sell you for half their new mineral price, and there are many hundreds or thousands more available on the markets.

Twelve cruisers, not eight, are changing upwards in value, with the smallest change being a ~60% increase and the largest being a full ~100% increase. This actually includes the Omen, so again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

The only part of your post that's correct is that some cruisers see a decrease. However, compared to the increases in the others, this is negligible. The drop in price for a Maller after the patch will be about 600k, for example (at ME0).


The takeaway from this post, by the way, is that you should probably stop posting. It makes you look foolish.