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Dev Blog: Stay on Target - UI Features set for Retribution

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Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#101 - 2012-11-15 12:16:03 UTC
Georgiy Giggle wrote:
IMHO, this one: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63449/1/targets3.png is better then this one: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63528/1/retri.jpg

Why did they decide not to use first variant?

Thats what I would love to know! Really don't like the 2nd choice. I don't want to be forced to have that I want to choose the first option!
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-11-15 12:30:10 UTC
Carol Krabit wrote:
Is there an "Enable/disable camera tracking" hotkey?

Also nice changes. I really like the new targets. Higher resolution and much easier to compare to your own "bars" at a glance.


I like the new camera tracking but i agree, there really needs to be a toggle key for the feature. Attention

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Myrkala
Royal Robot Ponies
#103 - 2012-11-15 13:58:55 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
I can't do an aussie accent. So I read it in my French accent. So I didn't understand anything..
..which one is shield? Lol


Read with fake french accent:

I zeenk ju nied tu go reveesitt le tuttohrrial.
Galmas
United System's Commonwealth
#104 - 2012-11-15 14:09:06 UTC
not tested on the servers yet but looks like some feedback was taken into account. Good to see that happen. Looking forward to. Big smile
ComicVillain
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2012-11-15 14:39:57 UTC
Although these changes are great, the fact remains that brackets in general (which are required for competetive play) completely undermine the beatiful visuals this game has, especially in long range combat, as well as all combat involving frigates.

is there any chance the bracket system could ever be redisigned so as to display a coloured bracket outside the perimeter of the ship (basically square/circle scaled to fit) rather than directly overtop?

this would, for me, help with immersion, and also assist in people who are interested in the game understand what's happening during gameplay videos.
Blue Harrier
#106 - 2012-11-15 14:44:23 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Carol Krabit wrote:
Is there an "Enable/disable camera tracking" hotkey?

Also nice changes. I really like the new targets. Higher resolution and much easier to compare to your own "bars" at a glance.


I like the new camera tracking but i agree, there really needs to be a toggle key for the feature. Attention

There is not a default toggle key but you can assign any unused key on your keyboard to act as a toggle. I’ve used my # key as that seems to be unused by any other key combination that I can find.

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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#107 - 2012-11-15 15:14:34 UTC
really looking forward to this...
Currently trying to figure if tooltips should be 100% customized by the player...
Reicine Ceer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-11-15 15:26:55 UTC
Is it me, or does "Angel Impaler" sound like an Adult Film Star's screen-name?

Also, loved the blog. Snorted my way thru a morning coffee reading this! :D
Vita Minika
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#109 - 2012-11-15 17:08:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vita Minika
Sorry for my simple language
but I like this UI
http://i.imgur.com/EvaiK.jpg
The little icons in the bottom are frigate put Disruptor and Webifier on player...and there are enough space for others effects.
And duplicate on top player ship shield indicator, if target is not active/locked.
Viddles
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2012-11-15 18:19:31 UTC
Hey guys, it's great that your desire is to improve things. Not sure if this is 100% improvement though.

Red and white is definitely a good idea... better contrast over your lovely new backgrounds.

Circles do not tessellate, but squares do - so are you going to be taking up more screen space with these new targets? EVE's screen is cluttered enough as it is and screen real-estate is precious... always the focus of player attention (to arrange windows and other UI resources to maximise productivity)

Being able to move the notification dialogs around will be great. Nice one.

Tooltips being more informative is nice - but with one BIG, HUGE DEATHSTAR-SIZED BUT!!! They should not obscure our view of the game when we don't want them. I propose the following change to the General Settings options:
The default state is to show the tooltips that you currently show, but after a time delay whose installation default is zero. (i.e. effectively no delay, which is what you have now) However, this can me modified, so that you're not continually dogged by needless tooltips popping up all over the screen as you move the pointer around.
http://i.imgur.com/2hs1g.png

For hardcore users, there are no tooltips at all - unless they are holding down a SHIFT key. When SHIFT is held down, tooltips will pop up with zero delay:
http://i.imgur.com/JAs2m.png

What do you think? Looks like you're making the tooltips physically cover up more screen space in Retribution, so controlling this is becoming more important than ever.

-V
Oxigun
Halliburton Heavy Industries
#111 - 2012-11-15 18:20:55 UTC
I've had a chance to test this on Buckingham and my overall feedback is positive:

+ The targets' shield/armor/hull condition is visible and identifiable, better than before for color impaired noobs like me.
+ There are ticks for what I presume are 25%/50%/75% of s/a/h which is nice, I don't have to hover anymore.

-While the log information on the HUD is informative and very detailed, I find it distracting. Shooting 4 rats generates a lot of information and it keeps scrolling on my HUD. I don't want to know what happens when you run an anom with 20 rats or are in a fleet battle with 100 people. Either let me move it or only show me some of it.
-When moving the targets to the bottom of the screen, they can overlap with the effects the enemy ships (painters. disruptors etc). Is there a way to move those somewhere else? I'm trying to minimize mouse travel while keeping information on my screen.
-The "safety button" is now overlapping with the lines for s/a/h when displaying that information on the HUD.
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2012-11-15 20:49:38 UTC
Crap. Forgot to comment on the automatic moving of the camera: Please allow us to disable that feature.

Having the camera view jerk around and change my point of view was damn confusing AND for a game where I need to double click in the direction in which I want my ship to travel this is very bad.

Being able to disable the 'focus camera on whatever your mouse may be over in the overview' is critical for those who manually micro-manage their ship's flight path. This is differentiated from those who use "Approach" or "Orbit" as their default means of on-grid navigation.

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CCP Sisyphus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#113 - 2012-11-15 20:54:54 UTC
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Crap. Forgot to comment on the automatic moving of the camera: Please allow us to disable that feature.

Having the camera view jerk around and change my point of view was damn confusing AND for a game where I need to double click in the direction in which I want my ship to travel this is very bad.

Being able to disable the 'focus camera on whatever your mouse may be over in the overview' is critical for those who manually micro-manage their ship's flight path. This is differentiated from those who use "Approach" or "Orbit" as their default means of on-grid navigation.



Yes, you dont need to ask us to put this in, as its been there from the start.
click on the selected item window - the little settings meny - uncheck the checkbox. No more tracking :)

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LordJohnn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-11-15 21:29:34 UTC
well,
the new targets lock cool, but in think they are too large, i keep my targets right above fire every thing button (F1,F2,F3 ....) and I got trouble see range and things on target used (web,point ...). Maybe somehow put them on top of target, of include such option.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2012-11-16 00:36:03 UTC
Is it possible to use the tracking camera without having the target locked? For example, can you apply this camera setting to the "Look at " function?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
CCP Sisyphus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#116 - 2012-11-16 00:53:20 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Is it possible to use the tracking camera without having the target locked? For example, can you apply this camera setting to the "Look at " function?


The tracking works on any selected item. Like gates, stations, wrecks, cloaking ships, etc.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-11-16 00:59:27 UTC
CCP Sisyphus wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Is it possible to use the tracking camera without having the target locked? For example, can you apply this camera setting to the "Look at " function?


The tracking works on any selected item. Like gates, stations, wrecks, cloaking ships, etc.


But do you have to have that target locked?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Aramis Rosicrux
Ordo Rosa Crux Templaris
#118 - 2012-11-16 01:41:59 UTC
-SIGH-

I can not believe while the game is still making us run TEN YEAR OLD MISSIONS you would waste time on this crud.

We need more ways to find a quick fight between family activities... six hour missions just do not cut it.

Do you guys actually PLAY this game???

Sorry to rain on your parade, but improved targeting, blinkier lights and more color in the messages is not going to keep this game fresh and, well, playable.

Come on, devs! Develop a better game, quit polishing the knobs!!!

(Yeah, I am gonna get some hatred for posting this, but somone has to tell the truth!!!)

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Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-11-16 03:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
CCP Sisyphus wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Is it possible to use the tracking camera without having the target locked? For example, can you apply this camera setting to the "Look at " function?


The tracking works on any selected item. Like gates, stations, wrecks, cloaking ships, etc.


Now when do we get the tracking video stream so we can watch our opponents ship in a miniature window >: ) i saw it on that UI presentation!!!!!! I know you guys want it!!!!!

Aramis Rosicrux wrote:
-SIGH-

I can not believe while the game is still making us run TEN YEAR OLD MISSIONS you would waste time on this crud.

We need more ways to find a quick fight between family activities... six hour missions just do not cut it.

Do you guys actually PLAY this game???

Sorry to rain on your parade, but improved targeting, blinkier lights and more color in the messages is not going to keep this game fresh and, well, playable.

Come on, devs! Develop a better game, quit polishing the knobs!!!

(Yeah, I am gonna get some hatred for posting this, but somone has to tell the truth!!!)


UI devs are not game designers? They won't be spending time designing missions. Maybe UI related to missions...oh wait, they just put new UI for missions being shown on your overview like a month ago.

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Inepsa1987
#120 - 2012-11-16 05:16:07 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
CCP Sisyphus wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Is it possible to use the tracking camera without having the target locked? For example, can you apply this camera setting to the "Look at " function?


The tracking works on any selected item. Like gates, stations, wrecks, cloaking ships, etc.


But do you have to have that target locked?



You don't have to have it locked.

Spaceship Pilot.