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The Right to AFK Mine - The Dystopia of 2015 is coming

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#161 - 2012-11-15 20:54:52 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Out to reform EVE gameplay? If you really wanted to do that, seems you'd take it up with CCP or your most sympathetic CSM.

Miners complain to CCP to change something they don't like. Other people do something themselves while having fun and extracting tears at the same time.

OK, so could you drop the "campaign against AFK mining" bullshit and say you're having fun extracting tears? I can handle that. Straightforward bullying, griefing and lulzing are a part of the game. It's that "we are doing a community service by ridding the game of AFK mining" bullshit that's annoying.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#162 - 2012-11-15 20:56:08 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Out to reform EVE gameplay? If you really wanted to do that, seems you'd take it up with CCP or your most sympathetic CSM.

Miners complain to CCP to change something they don't like. Other people do something themselves while having fun and extracting tears at the same time.

OK, so could you drop the "campaign against AFK mining" bullshit and say you're having fun extracting tears? I can handle that. Straightforward bullying, griefing and lulzing are a part of the game. It's that "we are doing a community service by ridding the game of AFK mining" bullshit that's annoying.

ditto

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#163 - 2012-11-15 20:58:22 UTC
Nah, it's a campaign against AFK mining that HAPPENS to give delicious, delicious tears, the real fuel of the EVE economy.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#164 - 2012-11-15 20:59:34 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Out to reform EVE gameplay? If you really wanted to do that, seems you'd take it up with CCP or your most sympathetic CSM.

Miners complain to CCP to change something they don't like. Other people do something themselves while having fun and extracting tears at the same time.

OK, so could you drop the "campaign against AFK mining" bullshit and say you're having fun extracting tears? I can handle that. Straightforward bullying, griefing and lulzing are a part of the game. It's that "we are doing a community service by ridding the game of AFK mining" bullshit that's annoying.

ditto

Let me get this straight:

You'd rather be bullied than be wrong about what's good for Eve?

That's impressive dedication right there!

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#165 - 2012-11-15 21:02:08 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Out to reform EVE gameplay? If you really wanted to do that, seems you'd take it up with CCP or your most sympathetic CSM.

Miners complain to CCP to change something they don't like. Other people do something themselves while having fun and extracting tears at the same time.

OK, so could you drop the "campaign against AFK mining" bullshit and say you're having fun extracting tears? I can handle that. Straightforward bullying, griefing and lulzing are a part of the game. It's that "we are doing a community service by ridding the game of AFK mining" bullshit that's annoying.

ditto

Let me get this straight:

You'd rather be bullied than be wrong about what's good for Eve?

That's impressive dedication right there!

You read way to much into things man. This did make me lol though.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#166 - 2012-11-15 21:03:20 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
You read way to much into things man. This did make me lol though.

I read it and made a post about 1s later. How much thought could be achieved in 1 second? X

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#167 - 2012-11-15 21:06:40 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
You read way to much into things man. This did make me lol though.

I read it and made a post about 1s later. How much thought could be achieved in 1 second? X

Apparently a lot if that's what you got from a 1 word post saying the same thing that was quoted. It still doesn't mean I agree completely with the statement. Just too lazy to type and edit myself.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#168 - 2012-11-15 21:16:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
You read way to much into things man. This did make me lol though.

I read it and made a post about 1s later. How much thought could be achieved in 1 second? X

Apparently a lot if that's what you got from a 1 word post saying the same thing that was quoted. It still doesn't mean I agree completely with the statement. Just too lazy to type and edit myself.

Well we've managed to make multiple posts now about my witty reply and how it basically is the nail in the coffin because you can't be bothered to type or edit anything of refutation against it.

Constructive posting indeed today!

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#169 - 2012-11-15 21:25:21 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:

OK, so could you drop the "campaign against AFK mining" bullshit and say you're having fun extracting tears? I can handle that. Straightforward bullying, griefing and lulzing are a part of the game. It's that "we are doing a community service by ridding the game of AFK mining" bullshit that's annoying.


Things are probably worse than you realize. It isn't a campaign against AFK mining. Its a campaign against all the things that let AFK mining safely exist and the recent changes to mining ships that made it explode. Its a campaign against the turning of Highsec into a safe playground where you can go from belt to belt and see nothing but herds of peacefully grazing Retrievers and Mackinaws.

If you think the New Order is just bump, extort ISK, collect tears then you may think it can be defeated by refusal to pay, counterbumping, wardecs or complaints to CCP. If so, I have some good news for you...

You're screwed.

Agents have many motivations. Some do like the tears, some are just naturally aggressive but some of us are something that should concern the anti-New Order people a lot.

We're true believers. And we are winning.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#170 - 2012-11-15 21:31:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Darth Gustav wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Sir, this is a game about competition.

If I disrupt your play in a way that potentially brings me gains in-game, I have out-gamed you.

If I taunt you with the possibility and you just give in ahead of time, that's gamesmanship.

Gamesmanship.



I'm sure this adds a bountiful plentitude, BILLIONS of ISK, into the bumper's wallets. BILLIONS!!! Roll

Give it up, as your argument has failed yet again.

You didn't even know what "gamesmanship" was, but you say my argument failed.

Bumping miners has the potential to earn them ISK from permits.

So you're wrong again. How's that feel?



The number of miner's who would even pay, with the trust that the behavior is guaranteed to stop, is going to be very very low.

Is that not one of the foundations of EVE Play ? TRUST NOBODY.

Your game was gamed already: by experience and history of behaviors. The concept that this would somehow actually work was broken long ago.

James 315 publishes regular financials to his investors.

Sadly, you are mistaken again.

It's ok though, all you have to do to end the streak is say, "I was wrong."



The streak will not end as it really has no beginning.

Are those 'regular financials' legitimate ?

edit: I'm sure the numbers are quite low.

The idea just simply fails utterly.

Post proof.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#171 - 2012-11-15 21:31:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Out to reform EVE gameplay? If you really wanted to do that, seems you'd take it up with CCP or your most sympathetic CSM.

Miners complain to CCP to change something they don't like. Other people do something themselves while having fun and extracting tears at the same time.

OK, so could you drop the "campaign against AFK mining" bullshit and say you're having fun extracting tears? I can handle that. Straightforward bullying, griefing and lulzing are a part of the game. It's that "we are doing a community service by ridding the game of AFK mining" bullshit that's annoying.

ditto

Let me get this straight:

You'd rather be bullied than be wrong about what's good for Eve?

That's impressive dedication right there!

LOL Coincidentally I guess, but that's one right out of the minerbumping.com playbook. Non sequitur: a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said. The original Manifesto thing was even worse. That blog's so full of non sequiturs it makes my neurons hurt. Not sure if they're intentional or not.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#172 - 2012-11-15 21:35:01 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
A Miner bumping another Miner to control a belt for some idiotic reason, does fall within the parameters of Gamesmanship by definition.

Mining and Bumping are completely separate ideas. It's like trying to play chess on a Monopoly board suddenly.

It breaks the game.

edit: OR makes the player quit. Then they all quit.

Then who do you bump ?

You continue to ignore the potential gains from the miners' failed resolve yielding 10M ISK for a permit.

Game unbroken. Mining may continue as usual.

Why do you continue to ignore the possibility for financial gain and just imply this is broken?

Do you hate the sandbox?



To equal my daily income from other activities...can one really make 20 people do this EVERY SINGLE DAY for the REST of the game's lifetime ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#173 - 2012-11-15 21:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
These miner bumping guys got their "code" from these to 2 websites.

http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2011/06/pseudo-profundity-from-believing.html
and
http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

It's all just tricky wording.

edit:Warning: explicit language on websites.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#174 - 2012-11-15 21:39:21 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
These miner bumping guys got their "code" from these to 2 websites.

http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2011/06/pseudo-profundity-from-believing.html
and
http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

It's all just tricky wording.

edit:Warning: explicit language on websites.

Could you please post extracts that demonstrate your point? Both of those websites are filtered by my internet service.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#175 - 2012-11-15 21:41:09 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:


Things are probably worse than you realize. It isn't a campaign against AFK mining. Its a campaign against all the things that let AFK mining safely exist and the recent changes to mining ships that made it explode. Its a campaign against the turning of Highsec into a safe playground where you can go from belt to belt and see nothing but herds of peacefully grazing Retrievers and Mackinaws.



Erm...is not that the purpose of the Asteroid Belts ? Why don't you mine them yourself so the real Miners will have nothing to mine ?

Your logic is not logic.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#176 - 2012-11-15 21:44:00 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
These miner bumping guys got their "code" from these to 2 websites.

http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2011/06/pseudo-profundity-from-believing.html
and
http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

It's all just tricky wording.

edit:Warning: explicit language on websites.

Could you please post extracts that demonstrate your point? Both of those websites are filtered by my internet service.

Post-modern pseudo-profundity

Sadly, some corners of the academia are dominated by intellectuals whose writing amounts to little than pseudo-profundity. Strip away the academic jargon and pseudo-scientific references from their impressive-sounding pronouncements and you’ll find there’s precious little left.

Those thinkers often referred to as “post-modern” include more than their fair share of such jargon-fuelled poseurs. So easy is it, in fact, to produce convincing-looking post-modern gobbledegook that a wag called Andrew Bulhak constructed a computer programme that will write you your own “post-modern” essay, complete with references. For the Postmodern Essay Generator, go to:

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#177 - 2012-11-15 21:44:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Bing Bangboom wrote:


Things are probably worse than you realize. It isn't a campaign against AFK mining. Its a campaign against all the things that let AFK mining safely exist and the recent changes to mining ships that made it explode. Its a campaign against the turning of Highsec into a safe playground where you can go from belt to belt and see nothing but herds of peacefully grazing Retrievers and Mackinaws.



Erm...is not that the purpose of the Asteroid Belts ? Why don't you mine them yourself so the real Miners will have nothing to mine ?

Your logic is not logic.

No, it isn't. The ice fields do not have a purpose as defined by CCP. As defined by miners, an ice field should be a place for herds of peacefully grazing retrievers and mackinaws. As defined by me, it should be a place full of the noise of strife and conflict, as should the rest of EVE. I assume Bing feels the same way, and that's why he takes issue with the cow-Mackinaws.

Edit:

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
These miner bumping guys got their "code" from these to 2 websites.

http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2011/06/pseudo-profundity-from-believing.html
and
http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

It's all just tricky wording.

edit:Warning: explicit language on websites.

Could you please post extracts that demonstrate your point? Both of those websites are filtered by my internet service.

Post-modern pseudo-profundity

Sadly, some corners of the academia are dominated by intellectuals whose writing amounts to little than pseudo-profundity. Strip away the academic jargon and pseudo-scientific references from their impressive-sounding pronouncements and you’ll find there’s precious little left.

Those thinkers often referred to as “post-modern” include more than their fair share of such jargon-fuelled poseurs. So easy is it, in fact, to produce convincing-looking post-modern gobbledegook that a wag called Andrew Bulhak constructed a computer programme that will write you your own “post-modern” essay, complete with references. For the Postmodern Essay Generator, go to:

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/


OK, so how is that related to the Code? You're saying that James used it to produce the Code, or that he copied from the text already there? Either seems a bit unlikely.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#178 - 2012-11-15 21:45:58 UTC
Phosos Dimaloun wrote:
In the year 2012, after Torvins exotic post about the future, The Mittani himself started a new high sec group to work along side Miniluv. It was to help those newbies in need before they get sucked into the fold of AFK mining.


That choice was made long before they subscribed to the Game of EVE.


Nobody gets 'sucked' into that. It's something pre-existing within a personality with a reallly screwed up mindset.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#179 - 2012-11-15 21:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
These miner bumping guys got their "code" from these to 2 websites.

http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2011/06/pseudo-profundity-from-believing.html
and
http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

It's all just tricky wording.

edit:Warning: explicit language on websites.

Could you please post extracts that demonstrate your point? Both of those websites are filtered by my internet service.

Post-modern pseudo-profundity

Sadly, some corners of the academia are dominated by intellectuals whose writing amounts to little than pseudo-profundity. Strip away the academic jargon and pseudo-scientific references from their impressive-sounding pronouncements and you’ll find there’s precious little left.

Those thinkers often referred to as “post-modern” include more than their fair share of such jargon-fuelled poseurs. So easy is it, in fact, to produce convincing-looking post-modern gobbledegook that a wag called Andrew Bulhak constructed a computer programme that will write you your own “post-modern” essay, complete with references. For the Postmodern Essay Generator, go to:

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/


OK, so how is that related to the Code? You're saying that James used it to produce the Code, or that he copied from the text already there? Either seems a bit unlikely.

Pseudo-profundity is the art of sounding profound while talking tosh. Unlike the art of actually being profound, the art of sounding profound is not particularly difficult to master. As we’ll see, there are certain basic recipes that can produce fairly convincing results – good enough to convince others, and perhaps even yourself, that you have gained some sort of profound insight into the human condition.

Edit: You don't need to copy or generate from these sites. It's so simple to spew BS that you can do it on the fly and still sound like you know what you're talking about.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#180 - 2012-11-15 21:50:49 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Phosos Dimaloun wrote:
In the year 2012, after Torvins exotic post about the future, The Mittani himself started a new high sec group to work along side Miniluv. It was to help those newbies in need before they get sucked into the fold of AFK mining.


That choice was made long before they subscribed to the Game of EVE.


Nobody gets 'sucked' into that. It's something pre-existing within a personality with a reallly screwed up mindset.

So you believe people have already made all the choices they're ever going to make then, huh?

That people can't or won't change?

This ventures off from discussion about Eve, but it's an interesting thing to note.

I think people change all the time. Maybe not always for the better, but they do change.

That said, I firmly believe people will overwhelmingly adapt (change) to the path of least resistance.

Which in Eve Online right now is mining ice AFK in a Mackinaw.

That's a path of negligible resistance. I feel it's changing the nature of how Eve's new players will view the value of mining as a profession.

Mining needs risk, Krixtal. Even if the risk involves no real loss of anything but yield or patience.

Think of it like playing chess for a draw. At least you're still playing.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom