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Should soft body physics be included in our collision model
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2012-11-15 20:31:21 UTC
Bat Country sitting on the jita undock in plated abaddons laughing as everything crashes into us causing a huge pileup that crushes everything undocking in a glorious mess.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#22 - 2012-11-15 20:44:58 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
No.

If you actually played the game and paid attention to your surroundings,
you'd know that this just isn't doable in a way that doesn't ruin the game for everybody.



I acknowledge that you couldnt do this without a serious overhaul of the navigation mechanics. To not do so would be like trying to play Halo with an NES controller. However, you are failing to consider that the reason people play the way to do is a result of the current "no collision damage" situation. People would be much more careful if they actually took damge from collisions.

You can be careful coming out of warp, how?

What about undocking? In what way can you undock with care?

People wouldn't play Eve anymore if they actually took damage from collisions.

Think about it.


You apparently didnt read the first sentence after the quote. Think about it.

Navigation mechanics have nothing to do with undocking or coming out of warp.

Think about it more, I guess.

You cannot do these things carefully, neither can you implement damage from bumping while these piloting maneuvers remain necessary for gameplay of any sort beyond station trading.


I don't disagree with those points. But I do consider them part of "navigation mechanics" even if you don't.  It is absured to suggest that with a toon and forum history as old as mine I am not aware of how undocking and warping work. Instead of listing every single issue I just used the broad spectrum term "navigation mechanics." But I know people like you specialize in trying to look smart by poking meaningless holes in arguments. Even if I listed every needed change to implement the OPs idea you still would have sauntered in here with some other absured point. Rather than being so negative why not try to follow the thought experiment for once.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#23 - 2012-11-15 20:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Even if you listed every needless change to implement the OP's needless idea, it would be still be a terrible idea and its implementation would therefore, by definition, be terrible too.

Also: Absurd.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#24 - 2012-11-15 20:50:18 UTC
It's been my experience that colliding with a soft body often has strings attached.

(That's my version of "String Theory".)

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#25 - 2012-11-15 20:51:10 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
It's been my experience that colliding with a soft body often has strings attached.

(That's my version of "String Theory".)

You don't say?

Well, you shouldn't have, anyway. Shocked

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#26 - 2012-11-15 20:54:46 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Rather than being so negative why not try to follow the thought experiment for once.

We don't even have Air Traffic Control computers implemented than can do this on Earth. Go make those first then come back and spout more about idiotic 'thought experiments'.

You're going to be bumped away from your asteroid if you don't pay 10M. Deal with it.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#27 - 2012-11-15 21:29:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bat Country sitting on the jita undock in plated abaddons laughing as everything crashes into us causing a huge pileup that crushes everything undocking in a glorious mess.



Right until I undock my freighter full of trit. I mean packed full. Or a plated orca. Big smile

Seriously, jita undock, amarr's undock, or the fun you could have sitting outside on of those minmatar kick out stations. This would be a horrible idea.

Collision damage on eve is about as useful as food in a fantasy MMO. Sure it may add to realism, but it also is a micro managing pain, and usually all groups have some skill that negates the need for food, making it a wasted idea in the first place.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#28 - 2012-11-15 21:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Bat Country sitting on the jita undock in plated abaddons laughing as everything crashes into us causing a huge pileup that crushes everything undocking in a glorious mess.



Right until I undock my freighter full of trit. I mean packed full. Or a plated orca. Big smile

Seriously, jita undock, amarr's undock, or the fun you could have sitting outside on of those minmatar kick out stations. This would be a horrible idea.

Collision damage on eve is about as useful as food in a fantasy MMO. Sure it may add to realism, but it also is a micro managing pain, and usually all groups have some skill that negates the need for food, making it a wasted idea in the first place.

You make a really, really good point.

Stealth bomber bombs and cynos will be legal in high-sec before they implement the freighter load of changes that would be required for useless content like bumping damage.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-11-15 21:55:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Sentamon wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
No.

If you actually played the game and paid attention to your surroundings,
you'd know that this just isn't doable in a way that doesn't ruin the game for everybody.


If everybody you mean blobs and bumpers, then yes, 1% of the population would have their game ruined.

This game needed collision damage and exploding ships causing damage to nearby ships since about 8 years ago.


Tell me that the number of times you've bumped into another ship is zero. Honestly.

Tell me how much work they'll need to put into changing Jita 4-4 for obvious reasons. Please.

Hell, it's not even Jita alone. Amarr. Dodixie.

Imagine the masses of people starting to bump ships at high speed *on purpose* !

... *thinks* ...

OMG YOU'RE RIGHT !

O_O

CCP ! Give us proper collision/damage mechanics !


Awesome idea ! :D
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-11-15 22:02:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bat Country sitting on the jita undock in plated abaddons laughing as everything crashes into us causing a huge pileup that crushes everything undocking in a glorious mess.


Station blasters would be a nice touch for dealing with people parked in traffic lanes? Don't you think?

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-11-15 22:05:19 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:


Tell me how much work they'll need to put into changing Jita 4-4 for obvious reasons. Please.
:D


Because turning it off around stations would take an epic 10 or less lines of code. Blink

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#32 - 2012-11-15 22:06:50 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:


Tell me how much work they'll need to put into changing Jita 4-4 for obvious reasons. Please.
:D


Because turning it off around stations would take an epic 10 or less lines of code. Blink

So do you think that before we get bumping physics they need to turn loose stealth bomber bombs and cyno fields in high-sec, just to ease people into the general chaos that will ensue after bump damage is implemented?

Just curious.

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ConranAntoni
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-11-15 22:08:31 UTC
Do it do it do it do it do it

A glorious age of 1600m plated omen's MWDing towards Macks await.

Empyrean Warriors - Recruiting now.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-11-15 22:10:06 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:


Imagine the masses of people starting to bump ships at high speed *on purpose* !



Frigates splattering on big ships would be a thing of beauty. Brings a tear to my eye.

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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#35 - 2012-11-15 22:20:33 UTC
Soft body physics is different. It takes into account shape and mass distributions as well as structural design. Think of glancing blows rather than just head on collisions, Imagine the tempests Solar cell arrays being knocked off and losing a bit of grid or some other ship losing sensor strength or targeting range. How about DUST, vehicles on the ground? Certainly they need an edgy physics model. That's right, undocks and blobs are a mess. Can you see yourself fitting a hull repper at jita and hiring out for a few cycles? Gun damage as if pre overheated and having to go into blob formation. , look beyond ironic bitter repertoires of self defeating negativity. See the glorious blobs of twisted pixels.
Devon Krah'tor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-11-16 00:48:04 UTC
next you'll be suggesting friendly fire being implemented. For the sake of all that is holy, my fusion rounds neeed to pass thru my buddies hull, it just doesn't make sense otherwise.

Listen, how can I properly blob in an efficient way if I have to make tactical considerations like LOS or my relative position and vector to friendly and enemy ships.

be reasonable, please.
Greater.Insight.Skill.Knowledge
Sunglasses At Midnight
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-11-16 02:11:04 UTC
Not only would this lag too much with current computing capabilities, but what's to prevent a thousand people from bumping a Titan to death? They would all take 1/1000 of the Titan's total EHP in damage, but the Titan would be dead. Now wouldn't that be a mess...
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-11-16 02:21:58 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
expected thread about boobies, found something about bumping physics :(


Thread about boobies is here...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24221&find=unread

And just like real boobies it needs attention and love.

As for the OP's idea...when the client can handle that kind of load without added lag and we can properly pilot ships without the "click in space" crap that CCP is so fixated on right now...then I will say yes.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#39 - 2012-11-16 02:29:29 UTC
EvE 2: The Gods are crying.
All Alpha fleets can now be crippled with an advance fleet of shuttles flying into their panels...
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#40 - 2012-11-16 02:46:19 UTC
<= the only body physics I'm interesting to see
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