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The Right to AFK Mine - The Dystopia of 2015 is coming

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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#141 - 2012-11-15 18:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
And you prove my point, quoting one sentence from my post does not make my quotes all about the one sentence. Learn to look at the bigger picture and quit thinking so small minded.

Edit: why re-invent the wheel?

Please, I literally just went through an entire post of yours refuting all your ideas and arguments. You want me to respond to everything you say?

Fine.

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
What's this non-violence you speak of? I never mentioned anything about non-violence or a non-violent mentality. Self-identified moral superiority? I'm no different than them. Enlightenment is when you come to the realization that there is no such thing as right and wrong or good and evil. There are only choices.

OK so I read this and honestly it sounds like you nicked it from someone else again because it doesn't seem to have any relevance to the situation at all and I'm afraid it doesn't make any sense.

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I choose to obstruct mining bumbers choice of forcing people who can't make choices for themselves or even think for themselves to make what seems like the only choice they have while screwing them out of hard earned money.

Great. Literally good for you. *Brofist*

Happy now?

Darth Gustav wrote:
Unpossible. You didn't actually have a point that post was pretty much just all ranting.

This guy gets it.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#142 - 2012-11-15 18:41:45 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

You're nearly right. We do care if someone is AFK. We just don't care that they're ATK if they're mining. Look at it this way; a player in EVE can have several levels of bot-aspiration, or how much he wants to be a bot. Actually running a bot program is obviously 10, on a scale of 1 to 10. Being an AFK miner is a good 6; you're getting a computer to do tasks for you with no input from a human after a certain point. Being a miner of any sort is still at least a 4, since you're getting a computer to do tasks for you with no input from a human after a certain point, even if they're doing other stuff ingame.

The New Order wishes to wipe out bot-aspiration altogether. Towards that end, we'll target bots first, AFK miners second and other miners third. That doesn't mean we won't target AFK miners.


You guys don't sincerely buy into this shtick, do you? Some sort of crusade to get people from stop getting computers to do tasks for them with no human input? Out to reform EVE gameplay? If you really wanted to do that, seems you'd take it up with CCP or your most sympathetic CSM.

This New Order code thing is just a B-movie implementation of The Mittani's half-heated anti-AFK mining ramblings from a year ago. Guys, they came from a Goon-- you weren't supposed to take them at face value and as true gospel.

This is the part where I remind you of the "RP" in MMORPG.

Whether or not they actually buy into it is utterly irrelevant.

There's profit to potentially be had so it's a legitimate playstyle.

What could be more simple than that?

We are not saying it isn't a legitimate playstyle. We just choose to oppose it.

Darth Gustav wrote:
Unpossible. You didn't actually have a point that post was pretty much just all ranting.


And everybody else's is not?

Take it up with CCP then. Following one's own advice...it just seems so...Ghandi. Cool

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#143 - 2012-11-15 18:44:19 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
And you prove my point, quoting one sentence from my post does not make my quotes all about the one sentence. Learn to look at the bigger picture and quit thinking so small minded.

Edit: why re-invent the wheel?

Please, I literally just went through an entire post of yours refuting all your ideas and arguments. You want me to respond to everything you say?

Recited regurgitated crap from your website. I read it, it makes sense but I still disagree. Re-word it however you like, a turd is still a turd no matter how much you polish it. If you can't except my opinion and continue to force your "power" to control others to your line of thinking then fine. I refuse to feed into your tyranny.

Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
What's this non-violence you speak of? I never mentioned anything about non-violence or a non-violent mentality. Self-identified moral superiority? I'm no different than them. Enlightenment is when you come to the realization that there is no such thing as right and wrong or good and evil. There are only choices.

OK so I read this and honestly it sounds like you nicked it from someone else again because it doesn't seem to have any relevance to the situation at all and I'm afraid it doesn't make any sense.

You forgot the quote that this quote was in response to...

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#144 - 2012-11-15 18:44:27 UTC
To those of you who are attempting to counter-bump the bumpers, godspeed. You're trying to do something, at least, and as I said before that is my only major problem with the AFK miners. They CANT do anything because they aren't there, and no matter how mad they get, they will not change their behavior of letting other people do whatever they want to them. If that's behavior you want to encourage, I say go for it.

Hey, maybe you'll get so good at counter-bumping that you will manage to stop the bumpers! I wouldn't expect much thanks from the people you're protecting though. The ones who are the problem will never see you spending your time and effort trying to help them.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#145 - 2012-11-15 18:48:03 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Unpossible. You didn't actually have a point that post was pretty much just all ranting.
And everybody else's is not?
Take it up with CCP then. Following one's own advice...it just seems so...Ghandi. Cool

CCP only fix servers when they go down. Otherwise, they are useless.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#146 - 2012-11-15 18:48:27 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
And you prove my point, quoting one sentence from my post does not make my quotes all about the one sentence. Learn to look at the bigger picture and quit thinking so small minded.

Edit: why re-invent the wheel?

Please, I literally just went through an entire post of yours refuting all your ideas and arguments. You want me to respond to everything you say?

Recited regurgitated crap from your website. I read it, it makes sense but I still disagree. Re-word it however you like, a turd is still a turd no matter how much you polish it. If you can't except my opinion and continue to force your "power" to control others to your line of thinking then fine. I refuse to feed into your tyranny.

Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
What's this non-violence you speak of? I never mentioned anything about non-violence or a non-violent mentality. Self-identified moral superiority? I'm no different than them. Enlightenment is when you come to the realization that there is no such thing as right and wrong or good and evil. There are only choices.

OK so I read this and honestly it sounds like you nicked it from someone else again because it doesn't seem to have any relevance to the situation at all and I'm afraid it doesn't make any sense.

You forgot the quote that this quote was in response to...


Ironically, if that quote were included, you wouldn't have been able to quote it in this high-quality post. Twisted

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#147 - 2012-11-15 18:49:31 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Unpossible. You didn't actually have a point that post was pretty much just all ranting.
And everybody else's is not?
Take it up with CCP then. Following one's own advice...it just seems so...Ghandi. Cool

CCP only fix servers when they go down. Otherwise, they are useless.

So the olive branch you offer the bumpers to dissuade them from their "beliefs" is actually a stick of poison sumac?

My money is on the bumpers, here, then.

Thanks, Ghandilocks.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#148 - 2012-11-15 19:00:17 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Ironically, if that quote were included, you wouldn't have been able to quote it in this high-quality post. Twisted


Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
CCP only fix servers when they go down. Otherwise, they are useless.

So the olive branch you offer the bumpers to dissuade them from their "beliefs" is actually a stick of poison sumac?

My money is on the bumpers, here, then.

Thanks, Ghandilocks.

Ha Ha... good ones. Nice try though. You can't troll a troller.

Thanks guys! I missed my lunch break but I was entertained.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#149 - 2012-11-15 19:06:14 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Ironically, if that quote were included, you wouldn't have been able to quote it in this high-quality post. Twisted


Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
CCP only fix servers when they go down. Otherwise, they are useless.

So the olive branch you offer the bumpers to dissuade them from their "beliefs" is actually a stick of poison sumac?

My money is on the bumpers, here, then.

Thanks, Ghandilocks.

Ha Ha... good ones. Nice try though. You can't troll a troller.

Thanks guys! I missed my lunch break but I was entertained.

I think you should have a look at my signature.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#150 - 2012-11-15 19:17:18 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
I think you should have a look at my signature.

Oh I did. Doesn't mean it is correct.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#151 - 2012-11-15 19:24:44 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
I think you should have a look at my signature.

Oh I did. Doesn't mean it is correct.

I see you understand my signuature with equal accuity as your comprehension of Ghandi! P

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#152 - 2012-11-15 19:26:07 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
I think you should have a look at my signature.

Oh I did. Doesn't mean it is correct.

I see you understand my signuature with equal accuity as your comprehension of Ghandi! P

*waits for CCP to remove all trolling post*

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#153 - 2012-11-15 19:29:22 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
I think you should have a look at my signature.

Oh I did. Doesn't mean it is correct.

I see you understand my signuature with equal accuity as your comprehension of Ghandi! P

*waits for CCP to remove all trolling post*


What, you mean like this one?

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
So I checked out the www.MinerBumping.com site... Wow. You guys are bullies. What's the matter? Did mommy not give you enough hugs growing up?

What you're doing is not dealing with a legitimate problem but harrassing players into buying permits which they don't need. You don't even care if they are AFK. You just want the isk form players without backbones buying "permits" It's extortion. From where I'm sitting, this whole bumping business is a front. Yet, in EVE, It's perfectly legal but still wrong. This "code" you speak of is a load of crap and frankly, you can shove it straight up your ***.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, ...when I lay my vengeance upon thee." ~Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#154 - 2012-11-15 19:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
*waits for CCP to remove all trolling post*


What, you mean like this one?

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
So I checked out the www.MinerBumping.com site... Wow. You guys are bullies. What's the matter? Did mommy not give you enough hugs growing up?

What you're doing is not dealing with a legitimate problem but harrassing players into buying permits which they don't need. You don't even care if they are AFK. You just want the isk form players without backbones buying "permits" It's extortion. From where I'm sitting, this whole bumping business is a front. Yet, in EVE, It's perfectly legal but still wrong. This "code" you speak of is a load of crap and frankly, you can shove it straight up your ***.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, ...when I lay my vengeance upon thee." ~Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

No, No... that ones legit....Twisted

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#155 - 2012-11-15 19:37:18 UTC
I doubt the veracity of that statement.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#156 - 2012-11-15 19:44:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I doubt the veracity of that statement.

Nice use of pseudo-intelligents.

Veracity - how true something is when compared to facts. (going from the top of my head as I'm sure you just looked that up to find a big word and try to throw me off)

As for my other post:
Based on your website, www.miningbumpers.com, it stands up to the facts quite well.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Harbingour
EVE Corporation 690846961
#157 - 2012-11-15 19:54:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Harbingour
BoSau Hotim wrote:
WOW

I'll say it again.. even backwards..

WOW

ISD... plz don't lock this post ever cuz I want to come here for lulz when I'm feeling blue...

EDIT: Tagged as favorite so i can see Torvin torched



You forgot to say WOW upside down: MOM Lol



Oh & watch out OP your post bespoke of future CCP favoritism towards Goons & that is a no no in the forums.

Torvin Yulus wrote:
the right to afk mine
torvin yulus
the proveldteriat papers

(SNIP)...
later, Monkey would learn that there was a time when anyone could go afk mine ina belt for free. there were independent miners who mined thousands of units of ice a day without Goonswarm Financial Grants. but by 2012 both CCP and the goons had begun charging permits to acess ice. By 2015, ice mining without a mining permit was a bannable offense.

(SNIP)...
of course if James 316 or the goons ever found out about this, it would be curtains for not only those 2 but 1000 others for making ane xample. CCP policy was to not sell PLEX to anyone on the goon blacklist so that they wouldn't be able to keep playing anymore.

The future of 2015 is coming, do not let it happen!
PRoveldetariat!



IB4TL
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#158 - 2012-11-15 19:56:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberious Thessalonia
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I doubt the veracity of that statement.

Nice use of pseudo-intelligents.

Veracity - how true something is when compared to facts. (going from the top of my head as I'm sure you just looked that up to find a big word and try to throw me off)

As for my other post:
Based on your website, www.miningbumbers.com, it stands up to the facts quite well.


I'm not a mining bumper, nor do I support the new order.

And no, I mostly used that as a fancy way to say that I think you're lying about not being a troll. This post of yours also confirms it.

Edit: You also keep spelling bumpers wrong in the URL. As I have no idea where that site is going to lead, I'm not going to click it.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#159 - 2012-11-15 20:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I doubt the veracity of that statement.

Nice use of pseudo-intelligents.

Veracity - how true something is when compared to facts. (going from the top of my head as I'm sure you just looked that up to find a big word and try to throw me off)

As for my other post:
Based on your website, www.miningbumpers.com, it stands up to the facts quite well.


I'm not a mining bumper, nor do I support the new order.

And no, I mostly used that as a fancy way to say that I think you're lying about not being a troll. This post of yours also confirms it.

Edit: You also keep spelling bumpers wrong in the URL. As I have no idea where that site is going to lead, I'm not going to click it.

Hence the Twisted face on that other post...Lol

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Phosos Dimaloun
Doomheim
#160 - 2012-11-15 20:36:25 UTC
In the year 2012, after Torvins exotic post about the future, The Mittani himself started a new high sec group to work along side Miniluv. It was to help those newbies in need before they get sucked into the fold of AFK mining. It was the biggest defining moment in EVEs (bigger than the fall of BoB/IT) history and shaped CCPs high sec policy for the next 3 years. The organization was called goon academy.
At first Care bears were afraid, but like all wild animals in the world, they were tamed and become part of the community. Slowly but constantly one by one all miners and care bears became apart of the goonacadamy (or executed publicly.), which they learned the basic food chain of eve and took their place at the bottom supporting James 315 and all agents of the New Order. Revolutionaries were banned and silenced as the tears flooded the streets and the community united under this finally found its true routes.