EVE General Discussion

First and foremost I would like to say we are not discussing high-sec here, we’ll just leave high-sec missions the same mindless grind. We wouldn’t want the tear market to crash from the massive influx of carebear tears that would flood the market if any change was made to high-sec lvl 4s. This is a suggestion to improve the fun factor of missions only for low and nul mission runners.

All missions in low and 0.0 should be completely reworked to a new type of mission, a mission that blends PvE with PvP. Current missions in EVE are a problem, they really promote a style of gameplay that goes against what EVE is. At the end of the day EVE is a MMO, in a MMO mechanics should promote player interaction not discourage it. Currently while running a mission (in low or 0.0) if a non-friendly even enters the system, common procedure is to dock and wait for them to leave. That is silly for a MMO, another person is by you so you need to quit playing until you are alone in a MMO. But with current missions mechanics hiding is totally understandable, I would wonder about you if you didn’t dock. Who wants to engage cheap T2 fit cruisers and BCs with a multi-billion PvE ship with some ridiculous resist hole? It would be more fun for everyone if people didn’t quit playing when they get other players in system, but instead possibly interact with these other players. The solution, make missions that promote player interaction, make it so common procedure is to stay and defend the mission you are half way done with instead of dock and hide.

First step to better mission is make them more PvP like. Missions need to have small groups of smart NPCs with better AI (Sleeper AI, or if that can’t handle the job code an all new better AI), not endless waves of mindless rats. Missions should be multiple small waves, a wave may consist of 1BC 2frigs & 1cruiser, 4 cruisers, or 1BS 1frig, etc. Also no different wave triggers the last NPC triggers the next wave, requiring people to look up each mission on the internet before they run it does not make it more fun. Give these new NPCs better AI so they have tactics. Get an NPC into armor but don’t have it pointed the NPC will warp 250km away to repair, don’t have an NPC webbed or scrammed well he is going to run his MWD and kite your blasters, etc. We want the bulk of people running standard T2 fit PvP ships to run missions. Having fewer but smarter rats with tactics not only makes missions less of a boring grind, with so much less DPS on field you are much more able to handle pirate intrusion.

It’s time for NPC factions to start using different ships. It makes no sense that the NPC factions refuse to cross train. Amarr militia fly around in thrashers all day, but not a single NPC faction has a single cross-trained pilot? Having NPCs only fly their faction ships creates predictable damage profiles, which is bad. Nobody is going to engage a player when their ship has 0% EM resists because they were running missions.

When running 0.0 or low-sec missions one should expect player interaction. Just like FW missions, when you warp to a mission gate it pops it up on EVERYBODYs overview. No more scanning needed to find people running missions (You’d be surpised even with missions on overview how few people come in to bother you ). As an incentive to stick around when hostiles enter, there should be an LP reward for killing players in your mission. Likewise there should be a reward for attacking these missions, like if the pirate wins he can finish the mission and turn it in in your place. The idea is to blend PvE and PvP into one activity, to turn missions into a small scale conflict driver for solo pilots and small groups.

Obviously with this new added risk should come some new added reward. These missions should be paying 2-3 times more than high-sec lvl 4’s, but not in isk don’t need more faucets. This is the hard part what can you give as payouts that will be profitable and not damage the economy. I guess I would suggest stick with LP. But if the LP route was taken, the LP stores would need some love. Perhaps some new faction ships to buy in the LP stores. Maybe some new useful PvP implants. Heck maybe even make a bunch of the mods already in the LP store more usable so they get some value. Currently though most LP stores are pretty meh.

yer i agree. Hows about giving multipul peple the same mission. but only one can hand it in say the last rat drops x item that u need to take back as proof you have completed it. say there is 4-5 people given that same mission its who ever gets tehre first. would bring loads of new tactics geting there first in a cloaky ship and wiating for somone else to take down most the rats then uncloaking attackig thema nd finihing it
or bringing multipul people with you to blast it though faster an d safer. could be good.or mission def missions where your job is to kill said person before he moves said item from a-b bit like in assassins creed huting off other people. they got to move x to y and you got to try and stop them. but i understand that the person moveing it will have the advantage as its realy hard tostop somone that does not want to be stoped lolz. wold need work

I never really like supporting threads about radical changes, but I hesitantly agree.

To start it would probably be better to make these missions separate to the usual missions, rather than replacing them.

Read the title and thought 'interesting'; read the first paragraph and thought 'yawn'.

However there is an even greater anomaly than NPC's not cross-training...has no NPC ever trained to use drones?

Make all missions totally random (in every region of space) and have rats use drones...no more sitting at 100km and dropping t2 sentries

Gee this is not a horrible idea that won't be used and abused.

Look, many NPC nul spaces are controlled by large alliances. Goons control gurista, test has blood raider, -A- had or has sansha. Yes there are pockets not controlled. Yes there are some rp groups that will pick a mul group and try to support them no matter what. Still, this is the minority.

All this change would do is provide one more isk/lp faucet for large alliances. Even if the reward are LP only, pirates have great LP stores. If you give goons the chance to easily pick up.rattlesnake bpcs, they will bringing more money in to their alliance. Do you really want to give bigger alliance power blocks more ways to monopolize eve? I know you mean well, but this is just a bad idea. Or rather given the setup of eve, the power projection nul alliances can manage, and the nature of nul space, this wouldn't help. All it would do is make a select few richer and increase their incentive to keep neutrals out of their nul space.

Pretty much this. Unless you are making yet another thread about nerfing hisec missions yet again, no one really gives a crap. As for the tears, well, when it comes from these forums, they come from the most unlikely of sources.

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Didn't want to like this idea but I do. I can't speak for all of New Eden, but I can speak for myself, if missions were like this and a hostile entered my mission I would stay and fight 9 times out of 10 (unless it was a sucker fight, 6v1 etc.). The opposite is true now, if I am in a mission and a hostile enters I dock up 10 out of 10 times.

So yeah, this is a pretty good idea, tis a shame there is not more discussion on it. OP if you are going to post in GD your post must include the Goons and/or miner bumping or it will just die. If people aren't angry or trolling they aren't posting.