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Recipe for basic research alts?
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#1 - 2012-11-14 14:20:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Salpad
I have some slots on my active accounts that I'd like to fill with science alts, for blueprint research.

How does one do that? I just want the basic stuff, whatever I can get for 5-20 days worth of training per alt, nothing more than that. Should I just optimize for INT and MEM?

What skillz do I need? I can see some of the skillz I'm going to need requires Science trained to 4, so that's the first thing I'm doing on the first alt.

Should I buy Implants for INT and MEM? I can afford to spend a couple dozen million ISK per alt, but not really more.

I don't want anything fancy. Just some spare guys that I can contract BPOs to, and then they do their thing with them, and contracrt them back to me when they're done. How much can I get in 10 or 20 days? Or 5?

edit: Also, should I remap for balanced INT and MEM? Or more emphasis on INT? As far as I can see, Laboratory Operation, Advanced Lab Operation, Science, Research, Metallurgy, are all primary INT and secondary MEM. Does that mean I should go whole hog on INT, and only raise MEM if there are any spare points the game won't let me put into INT?
Kynlea
Serotonin Inc.
#2 - 2012-11-14 16:42:58 UTC
Relevant Skills are:

Science (x1)
Laboratory Operation (x1)
Research (x1)
Metallurgy (x3)
Scientific Networking (x3)
Advanced Lab Operation (x8)


You could max the first 3 skills listed in around 2 weeks with max INT. But I would do at least Science to 5, Lab Op to 5 and Research and Metallurgy to 4. This will allow you run 6 jobs on each alt, with 25% quicker copy times and 20% quicker ME and PE research times. It will be quicker than 20 days.


Hope this helps!
Kynlea
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#3 - 2012-11-15 03:30:58 UTC
As far as I can see, with maxed INT and +3 implant, the rest of the remap points in MEM and a +3 implant, training Advanced Laboratory Operation from 3 to 4 takes about 9 days. With the rest of the stuff taking about a week in total, that fits into my limit of no-more-than-20-days-or-so.

But why take Science to and Research to 5, instead of leaving them at 4? Of course eventually any research alt should have Science, Research and Metallurgy trained from 4 to 5, and also train production skillz so he can make stuff, but for starters, I'm not sure there's all that much benefit taking Science and Research to 5.
Kynlea
Serotonin Inc.
#4 - 2012-11-15 11:58:31 UTC
Well depending on what you are doing with these research alts, I think Science at lvl 5 will be more helpful than Metallurgy and Research. But if you are just researching BPOs and not making copies, then focus on Research/Metallurgy. If you will be researching low-level BPOs and then just running copies I would highly recommend taking Science to 5.


The full plan of:

Science -5
Lab Op-5
Research-5
Metallurgy-5
Scientific Networking-1 (For POS work)
Adv Lab Op-4

Should take around 35ish days (I don't have Evemon with me at work)
(This is Max Int and +3 Mem/Int Implants)
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#5 - 2012-11-15 13:40:03 UTC
35 days total sounds about right.
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#6 - 2012-11-15 13:46:54 UTC
Kynlea wrote:
Well depending on what you are doing with these research alts, I think Science at lvl 5 will be more helpful than Metallurgy and Research. But if you are just researching BPOs and not making copies, then focus on Research/Metallurgy. If you will be researching low-level BPOs and then just running copies I would highly recommend taking Science to 5.


The full plan of:

Science -5
Lab Op-5
Research-5
Metallurgy-5
Scientific Networking-1 (For POS work)
Adv Lab Op-4

Should take around 35ish days (I don't have Evemon with me at work)
(This is Max Int and +3 Mem/Int Implants)


I would add cybernetics 5 to this. It is realy usefull in the end and it's not that long to train it up.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2012-11-15 18:45:42 UTC
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#8 - 2012-11-15 19:21:17 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
I would add cybernetics 5 to this. It is realy usefull in the end and it's not that long to train it up.


These two guys are going to be very, very tertiary alts. I don't want to waste that much training opportunity on them, when it means my main misses out. Nor do I want to spend a lot of ISK on implants. About 17M ISK for +3 to INT and MEM makes sense to me, but I see no reason to throw more ISK after +3% or +5% implants to boost any aspect of BPO research. It's not that important to me.
JIDF
#9 - 2012-11-15 22:12:24 UTC
If you research alt is just filling up empty POS slots, train it up to whatever you're comfortable with time-wise. You can always come back to him later.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#10 - 2012-11-19 23:55:05 UTC
First things first, max out your science/research slots, just max it.

while your doing that, start putting in BPO's into research for ME.

Personally, I just outright collected blueprints for fun my first year, perhaps its a good idea, perhaps a bad idea, but it didn't hurt me.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#11 - 2012-11-20 07:05:42 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
First things first, max out your science/research slots, just max it.

while your doing that, start putting in BPO's into research for ME.

Personally, I just outright collected blueprints for fun my first year, perhaps its a good idea, perhaps a bad idea, but it didn't hurt me.


My advice to new players who want to maybe some day get into production, is to start early, buy some BPOs, and set them to ML research. Just some cheap ones, ammo, modules, frigates, maybe cruisers. Then wait, and when they're done, buy and research some more BPOs for ML. Even if Metallurgy skill is only 3. But start early. Because ML research takes forever, due to the long queues. PL research can wait.

Of course moving expensive research-enriched BPOs isn't trivial either, so there's a catch to my advice. You pretty much have to know where you want to do your production, early on, because that's where you place your expensive BPOs. Otherwise you have to move them later via courier contracts.

But the ML research queues really are long.