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What I see coming from the new bounty system....

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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#21 - 2012-11-15 16:33:23 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:



Two flaws:
1) lot of the high sec ganking is done on throw away toons. It takes very little training to get into a DPS destroyer... The bounties will do little if placed on a throw away toon.


Cool.

Throw away "toons" are against the rules so anyone you know cycling "toons" like this should be reported.


Huh? it is, where has CCP said this?


I dont' recall where to find the information myself, but I can assure you recycling "toons" is against the rules.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#22 - 2012-11-15 16:34:30 UTC
It is.

Oh god.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#23 - 2012-11-15 16:37:13 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:

People wont quit over being blackmailed via bounties, and if they do EVE is better off without them, which will then in turn attract more players.

Check m8.


CCP is not going to agree with your point that EVE is better without them. I do not agree that the bounty system changes will attract more subs than it drives away.

As soon as the bounty system starts driving away more players than it attracts, and I predict it will, it will be changed.



I think the two critical questions are:

1) for how long will I have to unsub to get the bounty to go away?

2) will we be able to see who placed the bounty on us/our corp?



1) 5 months
2) yes, you'll get a notification if someone placed a bounty on you, who did it and how much. if you're a director in a corp/alliance you'll also get that notification if it's placed on corp/alliance

so if you want to place it anonymously you'll have to use an alt or do it through a 3rd party

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-11-15 17:01:33 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:

As far as the claim to "blackmail". It isn't blackmail you are referring to, it is extortion.


You are going to argue with me over which synonym I chose to use?

I looked up blackmail in:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blackmail

Here is what I found:
extortion or coercion by threats

The origin:
"a tribute anciently exacted on the Scottish border by plundering chiefs in exchange for immunity from pillage "


Yes, blackmail is commonly used in regards to paying someone to not make your secrets known. However, that is neither the original, not the only meaning of the word.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-11-15 17:03:34 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:


1) 5 months
2) yes, you'll get a notification if someone placed a bounty on you, who did it and how much. if you're a director in a corp/alliance you'll also get that notification if it's placed on corp/alliance

so if you want to place it anonymously you'll have to use an alt or do it through a 3rd party



It is going to suck letting accounts unsub a whole 5 months to clear off the bounty.

Lots of alt accounts will be used to place bounties I guess.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-11-15 17:06:46 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
In short, players are not going to use the system as intended.

How do you know that putting bounties on terrible carebear shitposters isn't what the system was intended for, Dinsdale?



The release is called "Retribution" (synonym: pay back, reprisal, revenge) not "new way to extort carebears".
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#27 - 2012-11-15 17:06:57 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


1) 5 months
2) yes, you'll get a notification if someone placed a bounty on you, who did it and how much. if you're a director in a corp/alliance you'll also get that notification if it's placed on corp/alliance

so if you want to place it anonymously you'll have to use an alt or do it through a 3rd party



It is going to suck letting accounts unsub a whole 5 months to clear off the bounty.

Lots of alt accounts will be used to place bounties I guess.


maybe you can just see how it goes. hisec will still be safe and if people gank you you'll gain kill right on said ganker which you can then make available to other people for ISK, so you could make money on that as well.

specially if the ganker is a terrible person, a lot of people want killed

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-11-15 17:22:16 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
pay back, reprisal, revenge

Yes, getting revenge for the wasted minutes of my life reading your terrible, whiny posts.

Working as intended.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#29 - 2012-11-15 17:23:13 UTC
So I guess that concludes the thread. The mechanic is working as intended and CCP doesn't care that OP is threatening to biomass himself in protest. A good result all round.

Oh god.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#30 - 2012-11-15 17:23:15 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


Only 19 days left coward.
How big a bounty are you putting on me because my posting annoys you?



I'm going to wait until about a week before hand then go ratting all week and dump all that on a bounty on you.

I reckon it's going to be at least 500mil.


Pffff....500M.....
Surely you can do better than that.

When I lived in null, I could make 500M/day ratting, not in a week.
Heck, I head into low sec on a regular basis and including the faction loot drops I do better than 100M/day.

I mean c'mon, you want to scare me, you are going to have to do far better than that.
You will have to add a zero to that amount before I start getting worried.

Why not call up your goon buddies and see if I am already on their kill list?
That might save you some money.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-11-15 17:26:44 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:


maybe you can just see how it goes. hisec will still be safe and if people gank you you'll gain kill right on said ganker which you can then make available to other people for ISK, so you could make money on that as well.

specially if the ganker is a terrible person, a lot of people want killed


Oh, I'm not saying that I'm going to drop on the day the new bounty system goes live.

I'm just saying that I strongly suspect that the new bounty system will be used as an extortion system against carebears, and that will cause a lot of carebears to unsub.


Just look at all the people that are salivating at the idea of the new system Is it the carebears chomping at the bit, looking for a way to "get back" at the gankers and bumpers? Or is it the people that are eager to see more PVP in high sec to burn the carebears?

Personally, I don't see any posts from carebears that can't wait to start throwing bounties on griefers. I see the people eager to see more high sec tears.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#32 - 2012-11-15 17:31:29 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Silk daShocka wrote:

As far as the claim to "blackmail". It isn't blackmail you are referring to, it is extortion.


You are going to argue with me over which synonym I chose to use?

I looked up blackmail in:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blackmail

Here is what I found:
extortion or coercion by threats

The origin:
"a tribute anciently exacted on the Scottish border by plundering chiefs in exchange for immunity from pillage "


Yes, blackmail is commonly used in regards to paying someone to not make your secrets known. However, that is neither the original, not the only meaning of the word.





I like how you edited the definition to suit your needs.

Definition of BLACKMAIL
extortion or coercion by threats especially of public exposure or criminal prosecution

from the same link you provided
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#33 - 2012-11-15 17:36:23 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


1) 5 months
2) yes, you'll get a notification if someone placed a bounty on you, who did it and how much. if you're a director in a corp/alliance you'll also get that notification if it's placed on corp/alliance

so if you want to place it anonymously you'll have to use an alt or do it through a 3rd party



It is going to suck letting accounts unsub a whole 5 months to clear off the bounty.

Lots of alt accounts will be used to place bounties I guess.


Yeah, you can unsub for 5 months, but unfortunately when you unsub the bounty is returned to the coward that placed it on you.
It is better that you stay in game and find ways to make money off the asshats, or at least recoup some losses by selling killrights or using the killrights yourself.

Now, unsubbing in protest for the plethora of new game concepts / game mechanics CCP is implementing all at once, which is going to lead to utter chaos and a myriad of rage threads and subsequent hot fixes, that is a different story.

Or un-subbing because you are tired of the null sec zealots (I am not talking about the ingame ones)ruining your enjoyment of Eve, that is also another story.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-11-15 17:36:41 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Silk daShocka wrote:

As far as the claim to "blackmail". It isn't blackmail you are referring to, it is extortion.


You are going to argue with me over which synonym I chose to use?

I looked up blackmail in:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blackmail

Here is what I found:
extortion or coercion by threats

The origin:
"a tribute anciently exacted on the Scottish border by plundering chiefs in exchange for immunity from pillage "


Yes, blackmail is commonly used in regards to paying someone to not make your secrets known. However, that is neither the original, not the only meaning of the word.





I like how you edited the definition to suit your needs.

Definition of BLACKMAIL
extortion or coercion by threats especially of public exposure or criminal prosecution

from the same link you provided



Especially != limited to.

I selected the main portion of the definition that was on point, and simply removed the prepositional phrase that was not on point.

It is not like the definition is "extortion involving threat to release secreats"... and I chopped off the "to release secreats".
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#35 - 2012-11-15 17:41:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
LHA Tarawa wrote:
I'm just saying that I strongly suspect that the new bounty system will be used as an extortion system against carebears, and that will cause a lot of carebears to unsub.


That's what makes it good. This is the kind of content that makes EvE different from the other games I don't want to play. I can tell you to go play another game if you don't like it, but you can't say the same to me because there are no other games.

The difficult thing about your post is that you're directly speaking to a member of CCP development staff, looking for an answer they cannot give. That's because it would be unwise for a CCP developer to speak frankly and tell you 'we don't care'. I can't say if that is how CCP really feels about the subject, but I hope it is.

Oh god.
Ryhss
#36 - 2012-11-15 17:42:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryhss
I concur with the OP....
If this new bounty program gets out of hand like in the OP, I will unsub. Eve is just a GAME anyway.

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#37 - 2012-11-15 17:47:17 UTC
Smile
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


1) 5 months
2) yes, you'll get a notification if someone placed a bounty on you, who did it and how much. if you're a director in a corp/alliance you'll also get that notification if it's placed on corp/alliance

so if you want to place it anonymously you'll have to use an alt or do it through a 3rd party



It is going to suck letting accounts unsub a whole 5 months to clear off the bounty.

Lots of alt accounts will be used to place bounties I guess.


Yeah, you can unsub for 5 months, but unfortunately when you unsub the bounty is returned to the coward that placed it on you.
It is better that you stay in game and find ways to make money off the asshats, or at least recoup some losses by selling killrights or using the killrights yourself.

Now, unsubbing in protest for the plethora of new game concepts / game mechanics CCP is implementing all at once, which is going to lead to utter chaos and a myriad of rage threads and subsequent hot fixes, that is a different story.

Or un-subbing because you are tired of the null sec zealots (I am not talking about the ingame ones)ruining your enjoyment of Eve, that is also another story.

Or un-subbing over the tremendous volume of horribly bad troll posts, let's not forget those.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#38 - 2012-11-15 17:48:40 UTC
Ryhss wrote:
I concur with the OP....
If this new bounty program gets out of hand like in the OP, I will unsub. Eve is just a GAME anyway.

Now that's a shocker....

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-11-15 17:57:44 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
I'm just saying that I strongly suspect that the new bounty system will be used as an extortion system against carebears, and that will cause a lot of carebears to unsub.


That's what makes it good. This is the kind of content that makes EvE different from the other games I don't want to play. I can tell you to go play another game if you don't like it, but you can't say the same to me because there are no other games.

The difficult thing about your post is that you're directly speaking to a member of CCP development staff, looking for an answer they cannot give. That's because it would be unwise for a CCP developer to speak frankly and tell you 'we don't care'. I can't say if that is how CCP really feels about the subject, but I hope it is.




The point of the OP was not to "speak directly to a Dev" looking for an answer.

The point of the OP was to point out what I see coming for the new bounty system. It is not going to be used by carebears to put bounties on griefers. It is going to be used by griefers to extort carebears. That is going to result in carebears, a major source of revenue for CCP, un-subbing. That is going to result in changes being made to the system, then massive whines from the griefers when CCP is forced to alter the system.



Now, I could be wrong. Maybe griefers won't use the system to grief carebears, and it will be used by carebears to discourage griefing.... but judging from the total absence of posts from carebears chomping at the bit for the opportunity to put bounties on griefers, and the large number of posts from people hoping this will cause high sec to burn, I HIGHLY doubt I am wrong.

I could also be wrong that the new bounty system will cause more people to unsub than sub. However, the game as it exists now offers AMPLE opportunity to PVP if that is what you are interested in. Therefore, I do not see the new bounty system pulling in more players that are looking to PVP. Rather, I see it bringing grief to carebears, and those carebears dropping, in larger numbers than we see new subs of people looking for new ways to grief carebears.



I will wait and see what happens. I'm just pointing out what I suspect will happen.

Again, to summarize:

Griefers will put bounties on carebears and then extort them to pay up or be hit with larger bounties. Bounty hunters will come and kill carebears to collect bounties. Carebears will get tired of the griefing and unsub. CCP will make changes to the bounty system to halt the carebear unsubs. Griefers will whine when the bounty system is changed to make it harder for them to grief carebears.


I could be wrong about the future of the new bounty system.... but I doubt it.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2012-11-15 18:01:25 UTC
I read, I started to think about lol and then Î had already forgotten what the OP was whining about...
Here take a bounty...I am out of cookies

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