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New ECM related changes. OMG THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2012-11-15 09:25:51 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
The module cannot be balanced until it's no longer such a binary mechanic.

-Liang

'Nuff said.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2012-11-15 09:39:35 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
The module cannot be balanced until it's no longer such a binary mechanic.

-Liang


I agree with you but WHY do you have to keep adding a second signature.. You already have one..

you could put -Liang in there.

I know this is majorly OCD but it pisses me off! /o\

<.<


I have been doing that on this forum for possibly 6 years. It isn't going to stop now.

-Liang


I know and its slowly killing my sanity.. =<

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Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-11-15 09:41:56 UTC
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Anyone who disagrees with the new skills is a **** noob with too few SP who should just buy PLEX and get a decent char.


or just a power-creep enemy
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#24 - 2012-11-15 11:05:41 UTC
The important question is not what does the 25% do to ECM... but what does it do to probing?

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Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-11-15 13:55:41 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
The important question is not what does the 25% do to ECM... but what does it do to probing?


They said something about being aware of the issue, and have some sort of fix for that in mind. Maybe they updated it since then, not sure.

Personally I think the whole idea is just dumb. ECM needs to be completely re-done so that it is no longer a binary state. Its effect needs to be re-done as well, it is far too powerful compared to other EWAR types. And the new skills? Dumbest idea they had in years. Additional 45+ days of training to counter a single EWAR type? Ludicrous. Simply ludicrous. More to the point, it goes to show just how broken ECM is that it requires such a set of skills be added to the game in the first place.
Seraph Castillon
Death Metal Frogs
Ribbit.
#26 - 2012-11-15 13:59:42 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
personally i really dont like the new racial skills.
it means 3mil sp training to counter 1 type of module, which is silly.
no other similar anti ewar skills are racially divided. (looking at tracking and lock range skills for example.)
it should just be 1 skill affecting ALL race's sensors.


CCPs new philosophy for allowing new players to catch up and compete is to reward specialisation. Racial specialisation in this case. As such they would rather have it take you 12 days to train the skill your specific race requires than 30 days to train a skill that applies to all 4 races. This is also why they are planning to split the Destroyer/Battlecruiser skills.

What they keep forgetting is that the whole skill structure of EVE rewards generalisation and no specialisation. There are so many blanket skills compared to the amount of racial specific skills. They also don't realise that giving older players a detour and newer players a shortcut doesn't work, for reason that have already been discussed a thousand times over.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-11-15 16:27:58 UTC
If they want to have racial sensor specific skills, then the skills that boost jamming strength should also be racial sensor specific.

Ie manetometric signal dispersion, gravimetric signal dispersion, etc nstead of simply "signal dispersion"
Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-11-15 17:06:46 UTC
Lashenadeeka wrote:
Anyone who disagrees with the new skills is a **** noob with too few SP who should just buy PLEX and get a decent char.


That is one of the stupidest things to say.

So, some new player who hears how awesome Eve is, is supposed to drop extra coin to buy plex, to buy a character who's skills they have no conceivable way of understanding or using to any degree of effectiveness?

You are clearly the **** noob. Not a 'noob' to the game, but one to life in general.


That's sad.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-11-15 17:28:03 UTC
ecm kinda ignores every rule in the ccp book of ballence.

Its all or nothing it terms of being effective, theres no being only half jammed due to range or eccm strength etc

second thing unlike every other module in the game its not got a stacking penalty and in fact gets better if you use more modules (including those damed drones that are in 90% of drone bays).....

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#30 - 2012-11-15 23:00:22 UTC
Don't like being jammed by ECM and don't want to invest SP into the skills? Buy a talon or grail set (or whatever set there is for the inferior races...) or fit an eccm or have an alt/friend remote eccm you. There are options for both lowslotss and midslots for ECCM, and they are easy to fit. You get ridiculously high sensor strengths as it is so flying a basi and gaurdian in the future for me is going to be literally 100% jam free.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#31 - 2012-11-16 01:29:49 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
The module cannot be balanced until it's no longer such a binary mechanic.

-Liang


I agree with you but WHY do you have to keep adding a second signature.. You already have one..

you could put -Liang in there.

I know this is majorly OCD but it pisses me off! /o\

<.<


I have been doing that on this forum for possibly 6 years. It isn't going to stop now.

-Liang



Have you ever just plain forgotten to add it to a post? I've been reading these forums for well over 5 years and I don't think I've ever seen an 'unsigned' post by you P

Although I guess you can't really remember forgetting something without having fixed it already...
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#32 - 2012-11-16 19:39:45 UTC
Berendas wrote:

Have you ever just plain forgotten to add it to a post? I've been reading these forums for well over 5 years and I don't think I've ever seen an 'unsigned' post by you P

Although I guess you can't really remember forgetting something without having fixed it already...


I think there's been a couple of drunk poasts.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#33 - 2012-11-16 21:18:56 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Berendas wrote:

Have you ever just plain forgotten to add it to a post? I've been reading these forums for well over 5 years and I don't think I've ever seen an 'unsigned' post by you P

Although I guess you can't really remember forgetting something without having fixed it already...


I think there's been a couple of drunk poasts.

-Liang


Which your PR Team cleaned up promptly.

Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.

I invented Tiericide
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#34 - 2012-11-16 23:38:52 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Berendas wrote:

Have you ever just plain forgotten to add it to a post? I've been reading these forums for well over 5 years and I don't think I've ever seen an 'unsigned' post by you P

Although I guess you can't really remember forgetting something without having fixed it already...


I think there's been a couple of drunk poasts.

-Liang


Which your PR Team cleaned up promptly.


They're too good to me.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-11-17 07:59:58 UTC
Risien Drogonne wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
The module cannot be balanced until it's no longer such a binary mechanic.

-Liang


^this.
it's a temporary step.

personally i really dont like the new racial skills.
it means 3mil sp training to counter 1 type of module, which is silly.
no other similar anti ewar skills are racially divided. (looking at tracking and lock range skills for example.)
it should just be 1 skill affecting ALL race's sensors.

But by the time that module is fitted into a proper ship, it's not "just a module" anymore. Falcon pilots require a lot of skills.


Not to mention "Primary this ******* falcon it's jamming me" is often the first words out of every FC's mouth.

-Liang
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