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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-11-15 09:51:43 UTC
ISD Praetoxx wrote:


It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement.

Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!

Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.


Perhaps all characters should show a history of trades, as well?

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Dave stark
#22 - 2012-11-15 09:52:55 UTC
ISD Praetoxx wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement.

Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!

Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.


the problem with that is you accelerate the situation where the only unused username is "sandy mcballbag".

this is why i hated making alts on WoW, with 10 character slots per account per server people had level 1 characters to reserve names. the hardest part of making a new character was finding a name that wasn't taken and wasn't jibberish.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#23 - 2012-11-15 09:55:53 UTC
6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

I can say that if I could export this characters name and give her a new one, she would be on the Bazaar tomorrow.

The name means something to me but the way she is skilled doesn't really help me in EVE and the days when they might have are gone I think. Capital construction 5, Sovereignty Skill, Fleet command. She is a Null passive gold mine and worth nothing to me aside from the name.
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
#24 - 2012-11-15 09:56:17 UTC
Charles Case wrote:
What about $1000 per character?

$1000 + 25% of current SPs.

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TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-11-15 10:04:39 UTC
Im all for name change.

My name is stupid I hate the damn name and a few of my in game friends hate there names also for the simple reason we didn't know it was set in stone when we joined this game.

What would entail a name change though? would it require huge database changes?
Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-11-15 10:05:00 UTC
I don't want to change my name but I love the idea of being able too. I have changed names in other games before. The name you chose now might be silly to you 5 years down the road and since you can't just power level another character in Eve the option to change your name seems good. I like the idea others stated that having the ability to find a characters past names would be appropriate, you don't want known spies joining your corp. Past employment history I think should be hidden unless set to allow though.
Dave stark
#27 - 2012-11-15 10:06:53 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
we didn't know it was set in stone when we joined this game.


O.o

really? pretty much every time you pick a name for anything, it's permanent. it's kinda the point of having names.
Mascha Tzash
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-11-15 10:08:09 UTC
Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands?
Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.

so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history.
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-11-15 10:17:09 UTC
I like the idea if you could have a name history list. Standings would need to carry over and maybe a notication if someone with standings changes there name. I dont think scammers can exploit it any more then they do now they just sell there character and buying a new one.
Dave stark
#30 - 2012-11-15 10:19:34 UTC
Mascha Tzash wrote:
Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands?
Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.

so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history.


i agree with this, i think character trades should be shown along with the corp history therefore you can see when the character was traded and what corps the new owner has been in.

doesn't really mean much as they could transfer the character to "wipe the slate clean" however you're still able to see the previous corps the character has been in for the paranoid recruiters out there.

also it'd be nice to know if the character you're checking out has been traded before, and if so; when.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#31 - 2012-11-15 10:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
It should be possible to change your identity in EvE. It is possible to do it in real life but it is probably a very painstaking process and there will always be ways to trace your real identity. I think there should be a system in EvE which reflects this. Maybe a system where it will take several weeks of effort and lying low to change the name. This way people can't abuse it and only those who really want to change the name will bother with it. There should still be ways to trace a person to their old identity too, but that should also require some effort.

Thinking about it, one possible idea is to make the name change immediate but temporary. It only becomes permanent once the player completes a number of tasks in various parts of the galaxy. However there is a catch... When completing the tasks, the player must avoid all criminal activity, all combat and can't engage in any activity that might arouse suspicion. This includes paying taxes for any reason, starting corporations and other things which might require some kind of official intervention. That's only the first catch.

The second catch determines the quality of the chosen identity. While completing these tasks (which take several days and involve delivering paperwork to various stations in various systems), the player must avoid any player that might recognise them in their true identity. This means avoiding anyone who may have shared a corp history with them at any point (including NPC corps) and anyone who is registered on their kill/loss mails. Avoiding these people isn't necessary to make the name permanent, but for every person who 'recognises' you in local, the quality of your new identity will decrease. This makes it easier for other players to reveal your true identity, which can be done with the Hacking skill.
Alec Enderas
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#32 - 2012-11-15 10:48:00 UTC
Although I personally don't think of changing names to be a good idea, what could work:

If you have the chance to change name (plex service, christmas bonus, once every 5 year of subscription...) - corp history stays and you also have either a button which shows the old name(s) or make a paid Concord service (LP/ISK) to find out old names.
That way you can still fool people, but not those who care.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#33 - 2012-11-15 10:50:02 UTC
Why not start selling those SP right away, because this is essentially what it means - with the drawback of you can't allocate them yourself.

In a world where even CCP states that what a pilot do and the actions they take is what can make a difference (the butterfly effect) removing all that history that a pilot did seems pretty much completely against that idea.

I would vote against any such feature for sure, you shouldn't be able to semi-erase that history like that, and potential buyers of a character should look into what they're buying if they're afraid of the history.

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#34 - 2012-11-15 10:51:40 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile





Personally I think you shouldn't be able to change the name.

Sure you might like a character skillset and then your heart may sink when you see the name is "ButtePipe" (or you may be overjoyed, who knows) however you're not just buying another ship off someone, you're buying a character. A person.

I already dislike the fact that so many people need alts (or claim to need them) to do things in EVE. Inevitably everyone with a capital ship has a cyno alt. Most people have a Jita alt. I personally feel it ruins the immersion of the game not not be tied to a particular character.

On the other hand you can't fix those issues without messing with the game, and spying is an important part of EVE which would be impossible otherwise.

My attitude is thus:


  • Bought a character but don't like the name? Tough, next time actually set up a new character and train him up yourself. The disadvantage of skipping 2 years worth of training other than the price is the fact you don't get to pick the name
  • No you shouldn't be able to change your name even on a character you made. Your character's name is their identity, EVE is great due to consequences, even if you're able to check the name via "show info" people wont do that on every name in local chat or on the forums. Your actions are recorded in people's memory and associated with your name. Deal with it or make a new character.
  • No you should not be able to wipe corp history. Same point RE: consequences as above. Even if you're not a spy if you only hang round in a corp for a few months, unsub for 6 months then repeat I don't want you in my corp.
  • Characters having been traded with corp histories is a bit different, instead I'd propose that it is recorded in corp history box when the character has been traded. So I can still view the character's past history if I want but I can also see clearly it's been traded.

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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#35 - 2012-11-15 10:56:23 UTC
Mascha Tzash wrote:
Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands?
Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.

so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history.


Or combine two ideas. Allow change of name on trade but have the old name and the character trade both show up on the employment history.

The entry could be put down as 'DED intervention - Mindwipe' or some such to show why the character no longer has a clue about what happened in the past.

It would stop a newly bought character being targeted so much by previous victims but keeps the character's history intact.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#36 - 2012-11-15 11:02:17 UTC
Name change would make it easieer for people like myself, dhb wildcat, kil2 etc to get fights anyway ^^
Zhao-luojao Shou
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-11-15 11:19:19 UTC
I have thought long and hard about name changes. i have also thought about the name of a toon i might buy and wonder if the person selling it was a pirate or scammer, or maybe even a corp thief. It really doesnt matter as there is a forum post and a mail to the corp you are leaving that you are selling the toon.

If someone doesnt like the reputation that the toon has then just post the forum thread as a link in your bio.

Also if you alloud name changes then ppl with multiple accounts would just be able to "sell" thier scam alt or corp thief to thier other account and change the name. No accountability.
Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
#38 - 2012-11-15 11:25:31 UTC
Zhao-luojao Shou wrote:


Also if you alloud name changes then ppl with multiple accounts would just be able to "sell" thier scam alt or corp thief to thier other account and change the name. No accountability.


What if you can't sell a toon whose name was changed.
And additionally be marked so that you can see that the name was changed without looking at the info of the toon.

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Mr Pragmatic
#39 - 2012-11-15 11:26:55 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it.

the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check.

i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally.

edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc.


Oh, I see your point completely.

It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully.

There's some good points being brought forward in this thread Cool



I think one of the issues is tho that new players unintetionally join a bunch of dead beat corps and have a long corp history that is full of "False positives" He might look like a corp jumper but in reality he just joined a bunch of dead beats. the "Hey my corp is awesome join it" and its only 3 or 4 characters and acouple of alts.

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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#40 - 2012-11-15 11:26:57 UTC
reputation is a valuable asset in EVE..
allowing the change of names, and even worse the removal of corp history would break that,
you could have high-end characters with no positive/negative reputation at all.

i would hate it.

Its bad enough CCP sometimes renames people.

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