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Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-11-08 11:01:05 UTC
What? Paid escorts controlled by Ai which shoot at your attackers.
Why? Cause real players can make more isk doing almost anything else so there is no market to fill the need.
How? You pay pirate faction or mordu and they give you AI controlled ships that escort you from a to b
When? When you get enough leadership skills to hire them.

And no, you haven't any real friends
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#2 - 2012-11-08 11:26:48 UTC
Pay people what they're worth instead of demanding bots to do it for less, you cheapskate.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#3 - 2012-11-08 12:02:03 UTC
Paying Serpentis pilots to escort this thread to the features and ideas subforum. 50 million isk.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-11-08 23:48:03 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Pay people what they're worth instead of demanding bots to do it for less, you cheapskate.


Problem is that hauling missions through low sec don't pay out enough so it's worth very little.
Read they "why" point again.
Yeah probably should be in features and discussions thread. Sorry
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-11-09 01:14:43 UTC
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Pay people what they're worth instead of demanding bots to do it for less, you cheapskate.


Problem is that hauling missions through low sec don't pay out enough so it's worth very little.
Read they "why" point again.
Yeah probably should be in features and discussions thread. Sorry

Right, well, take player-contracts fr hauling through lowsec, quite a few are fairly dcent in price, so long as you ignore the ridiculous collateral they want.

and if you are in a corporation specializing in hauling (there are many) often times its no problem getting a scout/escort to ensure your safe departure/arrival.


TL;DR why would you be doing NPC hauling in lowsec with NPC guards, when you can do Player-contracts with player-fleets for alot more.


but wait, you dotn want to join a corp who makes their money specializing in lowsec hauling, you want to drive them out of business with an NPC mechanic.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-10 01:23:02 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Pay people what they're worth instead of demanding bots to do it for less, you cheapskate.


Problem is that hauling missions through low sec don't pay out enough so it's worth very little.
Read they "why" point again.
Yeah probably should be in features and discussions thread. Sorry

Right, well, take player-contracts fr hauling through lowsec, quite a few are fairly dcent in price, so long as you ignore the ridiculous collateral they want.

and if you are in a corporation specializing in hauling (there are many) often times its no problem getting a scout/escort to ensure your safe departure/arrival.


TL;DR why would you be doing NPC hauling in lowsec with NPC guards, when you can do Player-contracts with player-fleets for alot more.


but wait, you dotn want to join a corp who makes their money specializing in lowsec hauling, you want to drive them out of business with an NPC mechanic.


I Agree on that one to.
BoAggrius
Czerka Unlimited
#7 - 2012-11-10 16:18:52 UTC
TL;DR: I was silly enough to fly a fenrir into lowsec on my own and it, together with my pod, got asploded. CCP, please fix kthxbai.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-11-10 18:02:07 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Pay people what they're worth instead of demanding bots to do it for less, you cheapskate.


Problem is that hauling missions through low sec don't pay out enough so it's worth very little.
Read they "why" point again.
Yeah probably should be in features and discussions thread. Sorry

Right, well, take player-contracts fr hauling through lowsec, quite a few are fairly dcent in price, so long as you ignore the ridiculous collateral they want.

and if you are in a corporation specializing in hauling (there are many) often times its no problem getting a scout/escort to ensure your safe departure/arrival.


TL;DR why would you be doing NPC hauling in lowsec with NPC guards, when you can do Player-contracts with player-fleets for alot more.


but wait, you dotn want to join a corp who makes their money specializing in lowsec hauling, you want to drive them out of business with an NPC mechanic.


nothing that sinister. I'm talking about NPC courier missions. Besides, NPC escorts will never replace real players. Killing them would be akin to PvE in ease.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-11-10 18:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaelie Onren
BoAggrius wrote:
TL;DR: I was silly enough to fly a fenrir into lowsec on my own and it, together with my pod, got asploded. CCP, please fix kthxbai.


One could also say that it was an attempt to improve the 'lowsec is dead' problem somewhat.

Common typical myopic view which completely misses the point that this proposal will actually give pirates in lowsec MORE targets.

To be clear, this is not a plea for an iwin button. (as my forum history shows I would never ask for something as unfair as that) this is an attempt to expand the game of risk vs reward into a different environment.
For haulers the game is then how much protection to pay for. Too much and you erode profits too little and you get blown up. Build a game and people will play it. The economy in low and npc null sec benefit, pirates benefit. This will do nothing to compete with player hauling corps. This is a completely different demographic of players. If you could or wanted to be in a corp then you would be already in one. This is expanding the market to allow for viable solo hauling. Why do miners get to be the only solo possible profession?

But meh, there are always naysayers who like the game broken as is and never try to improve it.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-11-15 00:22:23 UTC
Escorts would be hired from corps that player is friendly to with sufficient standing.
Cost of escorts would depend on class (frigate cruiser, bc or battleship) being all t1 rat hulls only.
Cost per escort also depends on #of jumps in the route and the space that the route traverses ie hiring angels to escort through curse would be cheapest, heimatar standard price, gallente space not available.

It will compete with jump frieghters yes, but be much cheaper but much riskier.
Game then becomes how far into low or null a frieghter is willing to venture as getting back to high means his escorts will be picked off by coordinated attacks eventually.

But the chance of more often than not making it deep into lowsec ( and recall u can't replace lost escorts unless u doc at a station) means that many risk loving frieghter pilots will bring much needed revitalizing bulk commerce to lowsec hubs and most importantly bring more pvp targets for pirates. Both reasons for more people to move to lowsec.
Every One
Triglavian Directive
S h a d o w
#11 - 2012-11-15 08:06:11 UTC
This is an MMO because you play mostly with people not with the bloody AI....