EVE General Discussion

There is a difference between roleplaying and out-of-game discussion. No matter how you spin it, asking CCP for changes is never roleplaying.



You do realize this goes both ways? You seem to think that what you call "pvper's" (read your sig) want carebears gone, when all they really want is to break their illusion of perfect safety. Just because it's entertaining to do so as well should not be a reason clouding your judgement. They also want a more balanced risk/reward distribution for everyone. When carebears say it's not worth leaving highsec as the risk/reward does not justify it, I totally agree with them. This is why incentives need to be added outside until we get a better player distribution. Would this "stealth-nerf" highsec income? Absolutely.

So you partake to this discussion only to finish by saying "I could not care less if people say they will leave the game". From suicide gankers to AFK cloakers, I would also say "LITFA before you screw it up".

I'm glad we agree.

Actually, this would destroy hisec. Just utterly.

Of course...

And there is nothing wrong with "not wanting to make it a job" so long as you understand that other people will do that and sometimes you might not like ti

I've said it over and over again, a sandbox means EVERYONE can play the way they want to, and for some people that means forcing unwanted action on others (i believ ein lvie and let live for the most part, but I accept that not everyone is that way).

. If you don't like that, that's ok, but you shouldn't be playing EVE, you should be playing a game that does not do non-consensual pvp, EVE is built for those of us who don't mine non-consensual pvp, the developers have something to that effect from day one.



The part I bolded, That's the biggest fallacy people like you hold on to (for dear life it seems), when most people don't really care about what other people do. Must people understand that people doing things all the same way is boring.

You cling to the belief because it's easier to think people are just evil and have no legitimate motivations for why they believe different than you do, but you're lying to yourself when you allow yourself to think that way. The people doing the bumping (for example may or may not care about how others play, but they ARE demonstrating the fact that EVE is about interaction, wheter you like it or not.



Then why aren't you talking about the Miners who want ccp to change the game to prevent bumping (for example). If you really believed in that "LITFA" stuff, you'd be talking to hi sec miners (and others who want the game changed to offer more protection), not those of us who are simply trying to tell people "EVE is what it is, if you don't like it fine but oleave it alone".

As i said, I think in many cases you are lying to yourself.

TBH nerfs aren't needed, if they do anything they should buff lo & null. make them actually worthwhile so people don't need hisec alts to rake it in. Hisec doesn't need a buff, if lo & null were buffed it wouldn't seem like it needed nerfing either.

That's a totally different discussion, although it does influence this one.

If you need Hisec to rake it in, then you're doing it wrong. About 3% of all the ISK I've ever made in EVE has come from Hisec.

You're right that Hisec doesn't need a buff of course. There is already enough means of making ISK, mining, and various other things in Hisec.

I think the best thing that could be done, would be to limit the reserves of Ice and Ore in Hisec. Not remove them, but put a cap on the amount that can be mined by depleting the asteroid and ice belts over a longer period. Moving them to Grav sites that despawn, and having larger sites spawn in Lo and Null that take much longer to deplete.

The reasoning for this is simple. Hisec has been mined almost exclusively by many layers and it is hardly a frontier, with the NPC Factions having used it for countless Millenia as a source for all their minerals and ice products. It's perfectly reasonable to expect the remaining reserves to be depleted and limited.

We could even see certain types of Ore and Ice disappear for a month at a time there. Not so in Nullsec, and much less so in Losec. These areas are less travelled, and largely unused by the Factions, and also much less used by the playerbase. All you have to do is look at population distribution on the map to see where everybody is.

So make it simple. Remove the 24 hour downtime respawner for asteroid belts, allow the existing ones to be largely mined out, move the NPE through exploration before mining, and move all new sites to anomalies that act like those in wormholes. Once discovered and mined out, they disappear. Quantity available depends entirely on location; possibly even on frequency of mining in that area.

Simple. Maybe not in implementation, but in design.

Benefit is that this will force players out to Losec and Null in an effort to find and harvest a larger amount and assortment of minerals, while not removing it entirely from Hisec.

I don't look at EVE as a place where I can determine a style and then act it out forever in impregnable solitude (and there are games where you can do that), but rather like an interactive narrative. I can set the course of the story and choose responses, but I also have to respond to the events around me, and my own story can be influenced by the choices of others. I think that's a good thing, I think it makes the game more fun.

In practice, I find this is a healthy attitude to adopt, because it encourages running with the plot twists thrown up by fate and by other people. Last night, for example, I was taking a short trip to get some rig components and I encountered a double gate camp in a geographically important system. I passed it in my empty shuttle, but I didn't want to try going back that way once I had my goods. This meant adding about 17 jumps to my journey.

Rather than looking on that as an inconvenience or interruption to my playstyle, I looked on it as an in game event that afforded me the opportunity to do something different, something that I hadn't been expecting to do. I looked at the markets of the several different regions I had to pass through on my long detour home, and made some blueprint purchases, did a little low volume trading. I had fun with the turn of events, more than I normally would have had on a planned trip for the same purposes, because it was spontaneous and felt creative. The positive of having your plans messed up is that it also breaks up your routine and lets you veer off in a new direction. It's a plot twist.

I don't see people like pirates as griefers, but rather as guys who inject excitement into what to might otherwise become stale matters of habit. Similarly, peaceful industrials are potential partners, customers, or rivals. It's all good.

The illusion of "forcing" people who pay a sub, to do something they don't like, is just that: an illusion.

I guess CCP itself is the problem. They created something and find out that it's not being played as intended. And yes, there is an intention when they crate new content. They have a vision, and they intend this game to be rich by means of PvP. Now imagine everyone would just settle down and start mining. What would CCP do? Implementing mining rights earned by shooting other players? They want us to play the game in a certain way. The sandbox is theirs, we are just sand.