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The obnoxious mentality of human kind..

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#81 - 2012-11-13 05:16:50 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:

There was a solar flare that happened as recently as 1859 that would have knocked out power across the entire globe and destroyed all our satellites if it were to happen now. With no local food supplies and everyone completely dependent on civilization, that would probably do it. Coincidentally, the Mayans you mentioned had an extremely intimate knowledge of the sun and its cycles. According to the experts, we're supposed to have a solar peak very soon more powerful than anything we've seen before, including the event in 1859. Could that be what it's all about? The Mayan's also didn't figure out anything themselves. They inherited their cosmic knowledge from the Olmec, who probably inherited it from an even earlier source. Another case of past civilizations being more intelligent than more recent ones.




Solar flares come in 2 varieties....Positively charged and negatively charged, now the main type needed is one that's the exact opposite of the magnetic field that surrounds the planet, so that it essentially pulls the earth's magentic field along with it and esposes the surface of the planet that is facing the sun at that moment to solar radiation.


Now there's already a satellite that's half way between the earth and the sun to warn us of these solar flares and now big they are and what polarity they have, wich is enough time to turn off the satellites orbiting the earth, but the biggest variatble is that the earth's magnetic field is no longer positive on one side and negative on tthe other, but it's mixed all over the place depending on where you're located, and some seem to theorize that the earth is already in the process of a reversal of the poles right now....I'll try to find a picture of the variations of the magnetic field as they are now.


So with that in mind some areas might be heavily affected by the solar flare and some areas not so much...The ones that basically have the same polarity as the incoming solar flare, as having the same polarity repels and doesn't atract as we all know.


I'll have to read up on previous civilizations, but on a quick browse the olmec apeared about 4500 years ago and dissapeared over 2000 years ago......So there's still 95000 years to cover.


Here's the pciture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Magnetic_Field_Earth.png


Supposedly, within a 1000 years of that reversal, or that it is to occur within that period iirc. I think the general idea was that the poles would be reversed within the next 1000 years.
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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#82 - 2012-11-13 05:29:33 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
Bane Necran wrote:
I'm familiar with all that, digitalwanderer, but disagree that solar flares will only impact localized areas. They can be large enough to hit the entire side facing the sun at that moment, and can continue doing so for a day or two. Already this year we've seen a couple x-flares that large, but they were thankfully not Earth facing.

And it doesn't just stop at something as tame as knocking our power out. A solar flare could sterilize everyone on Earth or simply burn them to a crisp when the magnetic field fails. Space is a dangerous place. I think any smart civilization would live inside a planet rather than the surface. Although the scenery would suck.



I'd be more worried about the exposure to gamma radiaton, wich is known to mutate Human DNA.....Fun fact, and astronaut doing a 6 hour space walk absorbs more gamma radiation than a human on the surface of the earth does in 6 months, despite having that heavy protective suit.

It's why astronauts are more likely to get cancer than anyone else.....A risk that comes from being an astronaut unfortunately.


The solar flare itself wouldn't burn anyone as the distance of the earth from the sun is too great, but you'd see some kickass auroras around the poles of the planet that's for sure....Knocking out the power on earth globally would be a huge blow as we get more dependent on it as the years pass.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#83 - 2012-11-13 06:36:48 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
The solar flare itself wouldn't burn anyone as the distance of the earth from the sun is too great


Wouldn't take actual fire and flames, just more heat and charged particles.

But i'm not sure anyone knows exactly what it's capable of doing. Many of the things it's been doing in the last few years defy all explanation, because we really have no idea how it all works. Makes me skeptical of any 'expert' who claims they know the limits to what it can and can't do.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#84 - 2012-11-13 07:26:30 UTC
Ready the diseased blankets.

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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-11-13 09:42:29 UTC
The probability of there being any comparable level of intelligence to us there now is very small. I bet it is a dead lifeless rock. Or maybe a hostile one like Venus or some such.

The only comforting fact I think is that by the time we have the capability to reach it, we will have evolved our intelligences somewhat so that all this outdated bullshit about "legal" systems and "laws" and quite frankly the stupidity most people exhibit will be a thing of the past.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#86 - 2012-11-13 16:02:51 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
Bane Necran wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
The solar flare itself wouldn't burn anyone as the distance of the earth from the sun is too great


Wouldn't take actual fire and flames, just more heat and charged particles.

But i'm not sure anyone knows exactly what it's capable of doing. Many of the things it's been doing in the last few years defy all explanation, because we really have no idea how it all works. Makes me skeptical of any 'expert' who claims they know the limits to what it can and can't do.



Well apart from the EMP that the solar flare generates wich fries all the electronics if they're on at the time, there's a large increase on the UVB wich is usually filtered by the ozone layer, wich wich is seriously bad for your eyesight and if you stay outside longer than usual, causes sunburns and the increased chance of skin cancer, so sun glasses and being completely covered up would be helpfull to say the least.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#87 - 2012-11-13 16:07:55 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
The probability of there being any comparable level of intelligence to us there now is very small. I bet it is a dead lifeless rock. Or maybe a hostile one like Venus or some such.

The only comforting fact I think is that by the time we have the capability to reach it, we will have evolved our intelligences somewhat so that all this outdated bullshit about "legal" systems and "laws" and quite frankly the stupidity most people exhibit will be a thing of the past.



That's the main problem though... By the time we have the ability to reach it, we may be an overpopulated mess as it is, so starting to seriously leverage the planets on our own solar system and not simply sending satellites of probes, wich we have the technology for it, seems to be the only way out in the shorter term.


Star trek will have to wait a few hundred years extra...P
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#88 - 2012-11-13 18:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
digitalwanderer wrote:


You do realise that such wobbles can be extremely small where the star moves a couple of centimeters per second, and are observed from light years away.....Even if you take a big sample of stars at the same time, it still takes months to be sure if there are planets orbiting those stars and what mass and distance to those planets need to be to provoke that wobble, and how fast it is happening, wich all depends on the size and mass of the stars in question.


If it's a big star, you'll need large planets to make it wobble to any degree we can even detect given the light years worth of distance, and the first planet to be discovered happened in 1997 i believe, and 15 years later, we've discovered less than 1000 planets, so it's a science that takes time and a lot of math equations to be sure of a planets existance.....What that planet is made of is another can of worms to solve given the distance involved.
But it's more than one star at a time, but many, which was my rebuttal. And really it doesn't give any conclusive evidence regarding finding aliens by the wobble or composition of a star. Only a dyson sphere would be obvious, and more detectable than the need to measure wobbles for satellites.

So whenever I hear media outlet A or B saying another planet found could there be life?, I see it as humorous reaching as we could never know. It's not really the point of why Kepler is there, and would be a huge waste if it were there for that as it could never deliver. However the composition of the universe has importance, but finding alien artifacts which is long long over due (so less probable), well just hasn't happened and would be a waste if that was the point of the satellite orbiting the sun. It's there for understanding the composition of the verse/universe, which is also why I bring up digital vs. analog (regarding the fabric of existence) as that is part of the equation or the search in general. Now if this were a SETI thread, I probably wouldn't even bother posting, not as if anyone else would be either heh.

digitalwanderer wrote:

That's why it was heresy to state the earth was round and not flat, or that it wasn't the center of the universe as the catholic church says it was....Heck even today they still don't allow women to be priests, so that gives you a good idea on how up to date the catholic religion is.

I can't say for the other religions since i don't know enough about them, but muslims can be pretty strict if they follow the charia word for word, while other allows some exeptions like allow women to roam the streets without needing a chaperon and even vote in elections( blasphemy i know), and even then they're covered head to toe.


Religions aren't something i follow much as you've probably figured and science at least needs verifiable proof beyond any doubt,in order to make any observation accepted.
well, just answering your previous comment, putting it as religions would be unable to handle finding ET life, which is bogus and I've heard many media outlets claim that, which is just shallow and uninformed, and will be said by them again and again nontheless.

Beyond that, berkas or whatever, it's really another issue you have there, doesn't fit the topic so I'm not commenting. As for Catholics, I'm speaking of today, and over recent past centuries, their pretty fixated on searching the stars, for ET too. As for their errors, they weren't the only christian gig in town at the time, many forget, as Eastern Orthodox/Orthodox did their own thing and still exist, as well of many other forms of Christianity branching out from that especially in the West. But science has generally made huge errors no matter who was the dominating power in any given region. I even see such religious fervor and practices by those that claim no religion, more or less erecting their own temples of worship. Humans have a natural tendency to follow a God or gods, and it is no less for those that say they have no god/s yet center their lives fervently around something which fills that natural tendency; they make their own gods.

And you say science needs verifiable proof, and in that I agree, which is my problem lol because I don't see that happening in most of scientific academia as often theory is good enough for them, enough to ruin lives of other people on their alter of sacrifices.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#89 - 2012-11-13 19:07:47 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Better off embracing the Fermi Paradox rather than to be caught up in all this alien life


Here's some verified sightings from just last week.

In case that's not enough, here's Astronaut Edgar Mitchell straight up telling you the truth.

Fermi Paradox over.

You do understand what the U in UFO stands for, right? It's still guesstimation and not hard fact. And whether or not it or they exist, we still don't know the origin. It could be terrestrial (current, future or past), extraterrestrial or even interdimensional. Or even just fake, of course. Unidentified. And then other possibilities I won't get into as it's tl;dr material.

I know of Edgar Mitchell, have heard him speak at length on a number of occasions. I don't think he invalidates the Fermi Paradox regarding extraterrestrial life.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#90 - 2012-11-13 19:30:37 UTC
Webvan wrote:
You do understand what the U in UFO stands for, right? It's still guesstimation and not hard fact. And whether or not it or they exist, we still don't know the origin. It could be terrestrial (current, future or past), extraterrestrial or even interdimensional. Or even just fake, of course. Unidentified. And then other possibilities I won't get into as it's tl;dr material.

I know of Edgar Mitchell, have heard him speak at length on a number of occasions. I don't think he invalidates the Fermi Paradox regarding extraterrestrial life.


Hundreds of people from within the US military and government have gone on record that we are being visited by other races and a cover-up is in effect. High ranking people from other governments have also gone on record. Every kind of person in any position where they would be privy to such knowledge has said as much. I can only assume you just haven't given it serious consideration or study.

There's a thing called a 'consensus trance' you might find interesting. Basically it means for some people reality is defined by what everyone around them believes, and not what they have decided on their own. So if the TV and everyone they know says something isn't real, they just go with that. Only changing their mind when the media and everyone else around them does too.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

digitalwanderer
DW inc
#91 - 2012-11-13 20:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
Webvan wrote:

But it's more than one star at a time, but many, which was my rebuttal. And really it doesn't give any conclusive evidence regarding finding aliens by the wobble or composition of a star.



Well that's kinda obvious since we don't even know if frozen moons like enceladus on our very own solar system have life too, even if it's just microbial life and they're much closer.....The fact that discoveries on other solar systems of planets that resemble the earth simply inceases the odds that there is life, but what kind of life and is it sentient and intelligent is a whole new ballgame.


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Only a dyson sphere would be obvious, and more detectable than the need to measure wobbles for satellites.




Not really, since the structure that collects the entire energy covers the entire star, how would the light reach our satellites and telescopes in the first place, there's also no wobble since all the planets in that system are also covered by the structure too....So it would be even harder than finding a black hole, wich at least it's massive gravity affects everything close enough, to the point of swallowing entire stars.


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However the composition of the universe has importance, but finding alien artifacts which is long long over due (so less probable), well just hasn't happened and would be a waste if that was the point of the satellite orbiting the sun. It's there for understanding the composition of the verse/universe, which is also why I bring up digital vs. analog (regarding the fabric of existence) as that is part of the equation or the search in general. Now if this were a SETI thread, I probably wouldn't even bother posting, not as if anyone else would be either heh.




How exactly are we due to find anything since any sort of equipement used for astronomy that's precise enough to detect anything is way less than 100 years old, and there are plenty of systems out there that are millions of light years away, so we're seeing ancient history as far as those star systems are concerned and focus primarily on the systems closest to us.....Yes the speed of light is a pain in the ass, the universe is huge and we'd need something way faster than light.


Our galaxy is 100 000 light years across, so if we start on one edge right to the other edge, all we're seeing is what the stars and planets on that other side used to look like 100 000 years ago....Entire civilizations could have been born in that period of time and we would never know it just be looking thru telescopes and sattelites, and that's just our galaxy, there's 80 000 more in the universe( estimated of course)



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And you say science needs verifiable truth, and in that I agree, which is my problem lol because I don't see that happening in most of scientific academia as often theory is good enough for them, enough to ruin lives of other people on their alter of sacrifices.




Here's an example that i read just today:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=29173

Dark matter, where the overriding accepted theory on how it behaves was Super symmetry( there's a fair amount of versions of it), and it turns out that the results observed at the LHC don't quite conform to that theory, and it seems phyisics now have to come up with new theories( and the mathematic models) on why it's behaving this way.....Evolving is trial and error, and we're constantly re writting the books on what was considered scientic fact in the past until proven wrong.


Essentially galaxies are spinning too fast for the current models to explain it and what is dark matter actually made of.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#92 - 2012-11-13 20:10:46 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Webvan wrote:
You do understand what the U in UFO stands for, right? It's still guesstimation and not hard fact. And whether or not it or they exist, we still don't know the origin. It could be terrestrial (current, future or past), extraterrestrial or even interdimensional. Or even just fake, of course. Unidentified. And then other possibilities I won't get into as it's tl;dr material.

I know of Edgar Mitchell, have heard him speak at length on a number of occasions. I don't think he invalidates the Fermi Paradox regarding extraterrestrial life.


Hundreds of people from within the US military and government have gone on record that we are being visited by other races and a cover-up is in effect. High ranking people from other governments have also gone on record. Every kind of person in any position where they would be privy to such knowledge has said as much. I can only assume you just haven't given it serious consideration or study.

There's a thing called a 'consensus trance' you might find interesting. Basically it means for some people reality is defined by what everyone around them believes, and not what they have decided on their own. So if the TV and everyone they know says something isn't real, they just go with that. Only changing their mind when the media and everyone else around them does too.

Yes I know of consensus trance and mass delusions etc. The Phoenix lights and the common mass sightings in Mexico etc. I'm actually well studied in this among other subjects. But the fact remains that there is no conclusive evidence that these are extraterrestrial objects, but a guess on the part of those involved in such sightings.

Even if a CNN news team ran out to meet them, got an exclusive interview with "Aliens", who is to say they are not lying? Who is to say they are not imposters? And if you climb aboard their ship, who is to say you are not on the menu? Lol Who is to say that you are not the main course?

But seriously, it still remains unidentified. That U doesn't stand for Unreal, just unidentified. I mean just like my ramblings regarding the digital universe, this makes it even more likely so - that there is life beyond just humanity, and even a greater possibility of such things as time travel; as digital doesn't require time to be a fixed point or overwhelming mechanic to the structure of the verse. Even gives rise to interdimensional travel, and civilizations existing on other planes. My personal thoughts are that there are beings beyond our present reach, but I just don't adhere to the narrow view proposed by some people, often mainstream and purely speculative, with political and/or monetary investments in such ideals.

The Fermi Paradox only really says that life is less probable, not as populas as many lead to believe. Either non-existent, at least as far as our verse is concerned (it's deadly haywire out there), or so uncommon that such life could be just too far out of reach to ever encounter.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#93 - 2012-11-13 20:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
digitalwanderer wrote:

Here's an example that i read just today:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=29173

Dark matter, where the overriding accepted theory on how it behaves was Super symmetry( there's a fair amount of versions of it), and it turns out that the results observed at the LHC don't quite conform to that theory, and it seems phyisics now have to come up with new theories( and the mathematic models) on why it's behaving this way.....Evolving is trial and error, and we're constantly re writting the books on what was considered scientic fact in the past until proven wrong.


Essentially galaxies are spinning too fast for the current models to explain it and what is dark matter actually made of.

Yes and it's always updating, because they really don't have a clue. They don't even quite understand gravity, but just that it exists due to observation. If they did understand gravity, we would have anti-gravity, and the ability to move objects without the influences of gravity; essentially dialing gravity from a 1 to a 0. If we understood even just light, we could push the anti-gravity objects faster than light, just as light and time is manipulated by black holes. There is observational science, and the things that are achievable through understanding the extent of the existing process, and there is theory which requires constant updates and no real applied results.

Why are we not observing things that fit our measure of understanding (e.g. galaxies spinning too fast etc)? Our understanding of light, time and effects of gravity? It's just not a constant. In an analog universe it may be theorized as so, even required, but we still understand little of the basic principles of matter and existence on a whole.

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#94 - 2012-11-13 20:49:21 UTC
Webvan wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:

Here's an example that i read just today:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=29173

Dark matter, where the overriding accepted theory on how it behaves was Super symmetry( there's a fair amount of versions of it), and it turns out that the results observed at the LHC don't quite conform to that theory, and it seems phyisics now have to come up with new theories( and the mathematic models) on why it's behaving this way.....Evolving is trial and error, and we're constantly re writting the books on what was considered scientic fact in the past until proven wrong.


Essentially galaxies are spinning too fast for the current models to explain it and what is dark matter actually made of.

Yes and it's always updating, because they really don't have a clue. They don't even quite understand gravity, but just that it exists due to observation. If they did understand gravity, we would have anti-gravity, and the ability to move objects without the influences of gravity; essentially dialing gravity from a 1 to a 0. If we understood even just light, we could push the anti-gravity objects faster than light, just as light and time is manipulated by black holes. There is observational science, and the things that are achievable through understanding the extent of the existing process, and there is theory which requires constant updates and no real applied results.




You stated earlier that you don't see it applied in most scientic academia as often theory is good enough for them......The example i linked proves otherwise...


Now as for practical applications of said discoveries, that's quite true, but keep in mind that for the above example, it required the construction of the LHC at a cost of over 20 billion to discover this problem, so having practical applications sometimes isn't possible to the enourmous cost associated with it....Maybe one day it'll be possible, but not now.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#95 - 2012-11-13 21:30:10 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:



You stated earlier that you don't see it applied in most scientic academia as often theory is good enough for them......The example i linked proves otherwise...


Now as for practical applications of said discoveries, that's quite true, but keep in mind that for the above example, it required the construction of the LHC at a cost of over 20 billion to discover this problem, so having practical applications sometimes isn't possible to the enourmous cost associated with it....Maybe one day it'll be possible, but not now.

Yes I'm aware of the B-meson, the search for the "god particle", sub atomic glue. And just think, years ago we thought we had it all figured out with the invention of the electron microscope. But that's yesterdays mythology replaced with today's mythology. Tomorrows mythology will look and feel much different. I don't see how it proves otherwise though, it's not as if they will run with the same theory for 1000 years, it will continue to grope in the dark as long as there are prospective grants to propel interest. The particle accelerator is one interesting device nonetheless. But my prediction is that they will need to dig deeper at some point.

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#96 - 2012-11-13 21:43:41 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
Webvan wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:



You stated earlier that you don't see it applied in most scientic academia as often theory is good enough for them......The example i linked proves otherwise...


Now as for practical applications of said discoveries, that's quite true, but keep in mind that for the above example, it required the construction of the LHC at a cost of over 20 billion to discover this problem, so having practical applications sometimes isn't possible to the enourmous cost associated with it....Maybe one day it'll be possible, but not now.

Yes I'm aware of the B-meson, the search for the "god particle", sub atomic glue. And just think, years ago we thought we had it all figured out with the invention of the electron microscope. But that's yesterdays mythology replaced with today's mythology. Tomorrows mythology will look and feel much different. I don't see how it proves otherwise though, it's not as if they will run with the same theory for 1000 years, it will continue to grope in the dark as long as there are prospective grants to propel interest. The particle accelerator is one interesting device nonetheless. But my prediction is that they will need to dig deeper at some point.



Grants are only given if the need is there to dig even deeper if there's still aspects not fully understood, and as of right now there's tons of them still not fully understood like the muon particle that travelled faster than light wich is something einstein stated was impossible, but sooner or later and well into the future( centuries if not milenia), we'll eventually get to a point where we've either got it all figured out or our civilization blew itself up in the process.


Something wich i believe has happended to other civilizations out there for sure, as it's the biggest step of all is going from a type 1 civilization( harnessing all the available power of the earth) to a type 2 civilization( using all the power available in the solar system( where the dison sphere example kicks in to harnes it all)....Type 3 is not even worth talking about as it harneses all the power within a galaxy...Think Q in star trek and doing anything he wants.


Right now we're using roughly 70% of all the power the earth is producing, so the clock is ticking...Lol
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#97 - 2012-11-14 01:23:53 UTC
For those wondering, getting the rest of the power would involve using the ugly word...Yup, nuclear power plants and fusion reactors and even solar power collectors in orbit to harness all the sunlight hitting the earth, but that is problematic since we need the sun to grow food and create the air we breathe too.


Expected timetable to becoming a full type 1 civilisation is anywhere from 100 to 200 years, and add another 1000 years for a type 2 civilization....We got a long way to go here....Lol


Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#98 - 2012-11-15 01:03:40 UTC
Webvan wrote:
But the fact remains that there is no conclusive evidence that these are extraterrestrial objects


I'm lucky enough to have experienced something which removed all doubt for me, and caused me to research the subject for decades. If i just had to go on the word of others i'd be unsure, too.

But i'm thinking of making a thread at some point in the future about the subject, where i'll try to provide some evidence you and others may have missed. So consider this discussion paused indefinitely.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2012-11-15 01:57:15 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Webvan wrote:
But the fact remains that there is no conclusive evidence that these are extraterrestrial objects


I'm lucky enough to have experienced something which removed all doubt for me, and caused me to research the subject for decades. If i just had to go on the word of others i'd be unsure, too.

But i'm thinking of making a thread at some point in the future about the subject, where i'll try to provide some evidence you and others may have missed. So consider this discussion paused indefinitely.


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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#100 - 2012-11-15 02:40:43 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Webvan wrote:
But the fact remains that there is no conclusive evidence that these are extraterrestrial objects


I'm lucky enough to have experienced something which removed all doubt for me, and caused me to research the subject for decades. If i just had to go on the word of others i'd be unsure, too.

But i'm thinking of making a thread at some point in the future about the subject, where i'll try to provide some evidence you and others may have missed. So consider this discussion paused indefinitely.



Now that we're starting to discover planets that have a lot of caracteristics that are very similar to earth, and where the odds of developed life are far higher, i don't think it's a matter of if there's life out there but rather how intelligent is it, and of course us developing tech that allows us to travel there, assuming they don't do it first of course.