EVE General Discussion

For me the lure of null is that everything makes sense there.

When I lived in high I mined and manufactured but I wasn't really sure why, it make ISK, which was nice, but I only ever made what was most profitable.

Mining was boring, I'd just browse the web AFK.

I ninja'd a few dudes, that was the PVP, some of them got pretty pissed, there was no real reason to.

Null, by contrast, is amazing.

When you're in an alliance everything makes sense. I mine, PI, and manufacture to support the corp, we need more fuel blocks? I'm on it. Need more tackling rifters to fight our enemies? I'll make some.

And the PVP, it's everywhere, all the time, you gotta be smart and watchful. Yeah I live in a sea of blues and everyday there are neuts blowing people up deep in our space.

So for me the lure of null is that the game makes sense when you're there. Highsec, by contrast, is just a collection of mini-games.


Ps. Nerfing HIgh Sec is not about bashing noobs or the risk averse, it's about getting the old players who should have moved on to move on. The noobs and risk averse can stay forever, that's cool, they just shouldn't be getting rich for no risk.

I find it amazing that people like you exist let alone play EVE. You do know that EVE was made by some evil Icelandic gankers with anger management problems right? hell the DEVS talk about harvesting tears.

Why do you play a game built in non-consensual pvp if you don't like the attitudes of people who would play such a game? It makes zero sense to me.

I find it amazing that people like you exist let alone play EVE. You do know that EVE was made by some evil Icelandic gankers with anger management problems right? hell the DEVS talk about harvesting tears.

Why do you play a game built in non-consensual pvp if you don't like the attitudes of people who would play such a game? It makes zero sense to me.

I guess theres quite a lot of snobs on the forum. Not overly in this thread but if you lurk the forums for any length of time it paints a bad picture of a lot of lo/null dwellers. If you do not live in null you are an inferior Eve player?
Terms such as;
carebear
noob
risk-averse
less intelligent (used in this thread)

If for instance you were a high-sec dweller, perhaps you just wanted to skill up and get some money before exploring the universe some more, this would put you off wouldnt it? Oh look they are using derogatory terms for me...these are exactly the types of guys I want to play Eve with.

I exist. I play Eve. I'm even quite successful at it in many ways. Why is this such a problem for you? As for playing a game with built in non-consensual PvP I came here for the space ships. Despite people like you trying to ruin the game for people like me I have yet to find a better place to play internet space ships. I often tell people I play Eve despite itself. Also, define non-consensual PvP. I know very well I am open to PvP when I undock in null sec and high sec.







Yes, ganking can serve a role within the game. Ganking a null sec alliance's logistics side for example can put economic pressure on them during a sov war. If they are smart they'll just use jump freighters but whatever. It could be done. Also ganking miners in order to raise mineral prices or ice prices is a valid role for ganking. However, what I find reprehensible is people who gank solely out of some twisted desire to punish people for playing the game differently.

Alts posted at gates... take it from me, pirates would make low-sec *hell* w/o local. No local only works in WH's because there are no static routes in and out.

Remove local from Low/Null and you instantly create a situation where everyone and their brother (and all their alt accounts) have one toon that sits on a gate and listens to the gate activation...

Removing local would ultimately create more problems than it would solve.

1st of all, thank you for your honesty, most people would have been self-deluded enough to hide something like what you admit.'

Now that that's out of the way, I've dealt with your type the whole last 15 years of my gamer life. They type that doesn't really LIKE the game they are playing, but play it anyways because they don't feel there is any other option.

i 1st noticed it back when playing X-wing, a game set in the Star Wars universe. You know there were actually people who played X-Wing v Tie Fighter and X-Wing Alliance that didn't like Star Wars and thought "hey, this game would be great if it just had Newtonian physics".... plenty of "I just like space dogfighting" people there.

Later, I played Mechwarrior 3 and 4, games set in the Battletech ("BT") fictional universe. BT was a tabletop game in the 1980s originally called BattleDroids till the Lucas Arts people objected to the word "Droid" so Battletech was born. It was a weird quirky universe where some "mechs" had axes and swords and flamer throwers and machine guns could damage 12 meter tall fusion powered warmachines that could stand thermo-nuclear blasts lol.

Both Mechwarriors I played online had "those people" who really didn't like Battletech but thought the idea of huge robotic walking tanks was great so they stayed, and was a thorn in everyone's side on the forums constantly asking for "MOAR REALISM" in a game of huge walking robotic tanks...

Wheel EVE is different in that it's not based in some pre-existing universe like mechwarrior and X-wing, we have the same type of fools here , people who "just like space ships' but don't care for (or understand) what EVE IS.

Well, your sub is just as good as anyone else's, and I wouldn't stop you from playing even if I could because you playing is none of my business so long as you aren't hacking my account or something.

But i reserve the right to POINT AND LAUGH at you and your ilk, and encourage everyone within ear shot to point and laugh too....





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Yes, ganking can serve a role within the game. Ganking a null sec alliance's logistics side for example can put economic pressure on them during a sov war. If they are smart they'll just use jump freighters but whatever. It could be done. Also ganking miners in order to raise mineral prices or ice prices is a valid role for ganking. However, what I find reprehensible is people who gank solely out of some twisted desire to punish people for playing the game differently.

I suppose then I'd have to ask what you found amazing. Non-consensual PvP is a strong core principle of eve yes, but it isn't the only one and for many isn't the core draw of the game.

It also makes me curious about what you consider to be the attitudes of people who play the game and how you would expect they avoid conflict considering the array of people who play, though I suppose that is somewhat dependent on who you associate with.

I disagree, non-consensual pvp/conflcit/competition is the core, the spirit of the game. it's why mot ships are combat ships, most things you can find through exploration or build have something to do with shooting people in the face ect ect.

That others find other ancillary elements of EVE to like and be drawn to doesn't change the rock bottom foundation of the game. look at the game's founders, listen to what they said about WHY they made EVE the way it is. Hell, i'd wager that if the market could bear it (it can't which is why we have High Sec in the 1st place), EVE would be serveral times more hardcore and evil, so much so that U.S. Navy seals would probably be hunting CCP employees because of space terrorism.

Those Iceland guys are CRAZY.

What I find amazing is the fact that people who don't like what many consider to be the heart of the game still choose to play it. Me personally I couldn't play a game I didn't fundamentally like