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Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#1 - 2011-10-19 15:57:16 UTC
Was running a mission yesterday (sorry don't remember the name of it) with another player, who was the tank. The first room contained Drones, the second mercenaries and the third a single ship along with plenty of missile batteries (I am sure someone will quickly ID that mission). Anyhow, both of us are stationary and shooting drones in the first room when....the drones changed targets from the tank to me. Exactly as how the sleepers do it.

I haven't seen this happen yet in a mission. Is this an anomaly or is this an update on AI for missions that has been hinted at in the past? Has this happened to anyone else?

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Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#2 - 2011-10-19 16:18:20 UTC
Some missions will have rats that switch targets, they are rare though. Just check Eve Survival for specific info.

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Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#3 - 2011-10-19 16:22:09 UTC
Kilrayn wrote:
Some missions will have rats that switch targets, they are rare though. Just check Eve Survival for specific info.


Interesting but surprising as I have run this mission many times before and have never seen it happen. I have only seen sleepers change targets like this. Same with a few other players I chatted with about this. All more experienced than myself.

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Kristan Nvar
Alternate Existence Expeditions
#4 - 2011-10-19 17:04:04 UTC
I did this one last night with my 2 friends. Done it a few times lately not noticed any odd changes.
Were they attacking you friends drones by chance some of ships? I seen that if a ship kills a drone it can target the next closet ship
had my one friend get attacked that way more than once.
Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#5 - 2011-10-19 17:06:07 UTC
Kristan Nvar wrote:
I did this one last night with my 2 friends. Done it a few times lately not noticed any odd changes.
Were they attacking you friends drones by chance some of ships? I seen that if a ship kills a drone it can target the next closet ship
had my one friend get attacked that way more than once.



Nope, we were both running without drones. Just a Drake and a Tengu, nothing special.

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Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-19 17:51:07 UTC
I know the mission. One of the drones is a trigger for another spawn, which is probably what happened.

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Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#7 - 2011-10-19 17:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Anvil44
Le'Mon Tichim wrote:
I know the mission. One of the drones is a trigger for another spawn, which is probably what happened.


Actually all spawns had been triggered for quite some time, was slowly working my way through them. If memory serves (since I wasn't paying super close attention), I was down to 2 or 3 drone BSs when they switched to targeting me. There was no new spawn, it wasn't just after killing a ship, we had one of the drones down to about 1/2 armor when they just up and switched.

Again, it was exactly like how the sleepers do it (and I know this well, since despite my being a carebear, I have been living in a wh for the last year and am just taking a break from there for a change).

But I like how everyone explores all the possibilities, some of which I hadn't thought of.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2011-10-19 19:37:01 UTC
That would be Silence the Informant. I've never seen it switch agro on me, but I also hate the mission and only accept it when I really have nothing else going, so it's been a few months. Looks like no one has bothered noting it on eve-survival as of yet, if indeed anyone else has seen it happen.

I'd keep an eye on it in the future. It might be new behaviour, but it also might be nothing more than a fluke.
Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#9 - 2011-10-19 21:20:05 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
That would be Silence the Informant. I've never seen it switch agro on me, but I also hate the mission and only accept it when I really have nothing else going, so it's been a few months. Looks like no one has bothered noting it on eve-survival as of yet, if indeed anyone else has seen it happen.

I'd keep an eye on it in the future. It might be new behaviour, but it also might be nothing more than a fluke.


Aha, that's the mission. Agreed it may have been a fluke. I will also watch for this. The agro switch was quite the surprise.

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Gavin DeVries
JDI Industries
#10 - 2011-10-19 22:33:08 UTC
The turrets in the first room auto aggro, while nothing else does. The two drone battleship groups are separate and also separate from the cruiser/battlecruiser group. Is it possible someone accidentally shot either the turrets (I think that pulls full room aggro) or the battlecruisers early?

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Vorpheus
Three Sword Inc
#11 - 2011-10-20 09:51:30 UTC
i noticed that there too... drones are strange sometimes, i even once had a few that were flying out of range and turned from red boxing to yellow boxing, cuz of getting out of range, and then targeting my drones... or the infamous Worlds Colide, were in the first pocket the rats were flying back and forth from their starting position..

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#12 - 2011-10-20 13:50:57 UTC
I've actually seen this in belt spawns too as of late (since Incarna at least). I've also seen belt rats warp off in the middle of fighting. I know some may argue that this (the warping off) is nothing new, but I have NEVER seen a belt rat leave before Incarna like they do now.

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Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#13 - 2011-10-20 13:58:03 UTC
Gavin DeVries wrote:
The turrets in the first room auto aggro, while nothing else does. The two drone battleship groups are separate and also separate from the cruiser/battlecruiser group. Is it possible someone accidentally shot either the turrets (I think that pulls full room aggro) or the battlecruisers early?


Full aggro was pulled to the tank right from the start. Every single drone was shooting him and range was not increasing in any way that I could see. (One of the first things I thought of too)

Sobaan Tali wrote:
I've actually seen this in belt spawns too as of late (since Incarna at least). I've also seen belt rats warp off in the middle of fighting. I know some may argue that this (the warping off) is nothing new, but I have NEVER seen a belt rat leave before Incarna like they do now.


I saw it happen in a belt once a few days earlier too. I got an awesome faction drop for a belt frigate and thought the warp away was because I 'killed an important rat'.

I do remember blogs talking about improving AI in known space to come closer to sleeper AI (which if you think about it from an immersion point, isn't necessarily a bad thing). Maybe they are making the changes in a gradual style? Like there is a slight % chance of rats changing targets. Then as time progresses, they will make changes to increase that percentage? Conspiracy Theory?

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ShadowStalkerwings
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-20 14:32:56 UTC
Some times in that mission the 3 battleships drones that are clumped together will fly out only so far towards you, and will then fly back to there starting spot switching target to whoever gets in there agro bubble range 1st.

This also happens with the frigates on worlds collide (caldari space against serps and guristas) the serp frigs will fly out so far and then stop and fly back slowly aggro'ing drones or any other ship that gets close enough to them.

Had that happen to a few people wondering why there drones were getting aggro'd and taking damage when they had already got aggro on both missions Roll
Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#15 - 2011-10-20 14:40:28 UTC
ShadowStalkerwings wrote:
Some times in that mission the 3 battleships drones that are clumped together will fly out only so far towards you, and will then fly back to there starting spot switching target to whoever gets in there agro bubble range 1st.

This also happens with the frigates on worlds collide (caldari space against serps and guristas) the serp frigs will fly out so far and then stop and fly back slowly aggro'ing drones or any other ship that gets close enough to them.

Had that happen to a few people wondering why there drones were getting aggro'd and taking damage when they had already got aggro on both missions Roll


Next time I run the mission I will watch for this. Since neither of us moved from our warp in point, it will make a good test of that theory. We can test by moving away from the group of 3 a bit to see if that happens and at what range.

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