EVE General Discussion

I think anytime CCP opts to do things in-game or fulfill a role that players could and should be doing- it defiles and defeats the purpose of the sandbox.

To the OP.......I had to stop reading your post when I got to the part about WoW and how easy it is........

EVE is not meant to be easy. Thats what kept me playing after my first week into the game. I figured out all the basics on my own. I got stuck on the epic arc on one mission towards the end. Instead of losing more ships, I came to the forums looking for a noob friendly corp. I found one, contacted them, and joined them asap. They assisted me with advice on ship fitting and even came to help me survive the arc.

My point is I seeked out a group of players that were accepting of other players regardless of their age.

If you are having trouble joining a big alliance, then go find someone else. Build up an employment history, get a bit of experience, then try again. Some alliances/corps have strict recruitment requirements. Deal with it and welcome to EVE Online.

Well said,

The op said she just came from WoW. This is a very good example of why the average EVE player holds WoW in such low regard (and why people like me pounce on any suggestion to make this game more like WoW).

If a person likes WoW, to each his own and all that, but some of us wish they would stay there instead of coming here and saying "why isn't this game more like WoW". Does everything have to be WoW?

In that game it's easy to join a guild because you risk nothing. In EVE letting the wrong person in can mean bad things happen to the corp you've spent YEARS building.

Helpful advice for new players can be found in the EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources thread. Of special relevance to the OP would be the link to Educational Organisations.

I wonder if it might be possible for CCP to float that sticky to the top of the Q&A first page. There are far too many stickies on that page (and let's not even start on the Features & Ideas page right now )

I wouldn't consider myself mocked if you provided a bit of help to new players. Sure, maybe I didn't have it when I started, but really, who cares. Go up about 2-3 posts from yous, and you'll see I myself suggested a way to make it feasible.

I don't care about newer players having it easier. Biased is only relevant if you are leading them against other Player Corporations, challenging Nullsec Alliances, or Running massive Trade and Industrial Operations that directly compete against other players.

Also, as I suggested, it wouldn't be a major time investment if you did it right. Sure, you can have a CCP employee CEO the Corp as one of the Live events staff, but it doesn't mean that person has to babysit it. If it's treated as an NPC Corp with a little alternative activity and interaction here and there, it should be perfectly feasible.

You structure the amount of investment on behalf of the developers. ISDs can monitor and moderate the channels, answer questions, and treat Corp chat much like Rookie chat. Less people per Corp, but more ISDs between Corps. GMs can surf the channel, Devs can check in, whatever..

It's a training Corp, not a Player Corp. Training institutions don't generally try to leverage their student body into amassing them glorious riches. Sure, some schools make money off their students, but it isn't particularly common. Usually, training is kept simple and cost effective, with revenues from tuition's and fees covering the majority of the expenses associated with that training.

This doesn't go against player training Corporations either. Once a player has left, that player cannot return to the Starte Training Corp. Players should be given a choice after 30 days to continue as a member, (if they haven't been kicked out by a GM, based on a Moderators complaint, or at the GMs discretion), or drop Corp. Just a pop-up.

Cripes, you have more tools than we for making this easy and less work intensive; you can automate half the process. You have Player Volunteers that are willing to put up with Rookie chat. Divide Rookie chat by 9, and allow a Player to deal with that 9th. Personally, I think that would be far more functional.

Here's another thing. Rookie chat is all new players everywhere. If you move this to Corp chat for starter Corporations, you've split the load and you've moved players into a help channel that is shared by players within a common region and part of Empire, initially anyway.

So if they do want to develop teamwork skills or do something together, or one of your Live events players or Devs wants to arrange an event or excursion of some kind, they're probably all within 20 jumps of a common location.

I don't see how any of that is unfair or potentially biased, (against other players), at all.

let me pull your attention to this OP

http://www.restokin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Sensory_Overload.jpg

EVE is hard, was designed to be hard. and well........ ok, its easier now though, since things have been dumbed down a little, but the general idea of EVE is that you actualy need an IQ to start playing the game. after that its just listen to the FC, lock target, press F1 and drool

actually this might help a little, simply because im sure that there are people in the help channel asking things which are related to the faction they picked, for example, amarrian asking about lasers, gallente asking about hybrids and ect, it will help sort out some of the stuff and make things a little easier for newcomers asking question along with people providing answers

We call it EVE Uni. You can them move onto RvB for pvp experience.

Hi, Kelduum Revaan here. Apparently you haven't heard of my corp? We have the problem that other training corporations have no hope of "competing" against us, so we have ended up as the de-facto training corporation.


And yes, the main barrier for new players getting into established corps is that of trust. As a member you instantly get access to a ton of useful information and roles, which can very easily be abused and cause a ton of headaches, which is why everyone, E-UNI included, is careful to screen applicants.

If the corp mechanics ever get fixed that may be a lot less risky, but it should never be without risk.