Skill Discussions

Gauging by my skills, would it be advisable for me to finally set foot in a Golem? If not, what skills would you like to see me have prior? If so, which area of skills should I focus on next, to improve my Golem piloting? I'm looking for recommendations regarding PvE. Please advise.

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I highly recommend getting core capacitor elite, if not core competency elite. You probably want to make sure your shield skills are mostly 4's and 5's too.


Totally agree. Against angels, you should pack minmatar drones. Gallente do more damage, and don't have to shoot through must resist vs blood raiders, sansha, serpentis, or guristas, but they are slow.

Drone durability [5]
Drone Interfacing [5]

Also absolutely vital skills after Retribution unless you have a friend in something like a rapid light launcher drake handy - because the survivability of any BS goes down drastically in any mission with scramblers as all of the frigates will target your drones... (at least at the current iteration).

Angel Elite frigates are, oddly enough, weakest against Thermal, so I would recommend Hobgoblins over Warriors, especially since the frigates will come to you.

With up comming missle changes I must disagree.

Cruiser/Torps getting a buff.

Heavy missles getting a nerf.

Tengu will no longer be on par.

Your left with CNR and Golem for DPS missle L4's

CNR needs a noctis to get the loot salvage behind it.
(( This is the way to go if you plan on looting/salvaging everything ))

Golem won't hit as hard as CNR but will get close and you won't need a noctis.
(( This is the way to go if you plan on cherry picking only the larger wrecks ))

Navy Scorp should be on the list if you want tank / hassle free missions.

Rattlesnake once you get the drone skills as it puts all the other ships mentioned to shame for L4's.

Frequency modulation; increases range target painter
signature focusing; increases effectiveness of target painter

If I remember correctly:

The Golem was just an accidental pick up, on my way to a Carrier. Or at least it was a very small side-step in skilling.
I used 1 for missions about 20 times, then returned 100% to the CNR.

Before Noctii, my Golem was a fully fit, dedicated salvage ship.

The Golem is a torp ship with very limited range (good for Angels that orbit very close), however managing multiple target painters is quite a pain, as well hitting anything smaller than a battlecruiser is very inefficient.

If you put cruise missiles on a Golem, one Defender missile removes 25% of your damage. Torps have more HP, so can survive a defender with only a slight damage loss.

The Raven Navy Issue has 7 launchers and a rate-of-fire bonus, that at max skill is equivalent to:
7 / (1 - 5 * 5%) = 9.33 launchers
which is more effective launchers than a Golem.

When a Raven Navy Issue loses a cruise missile to a Defender, the damage reduction is far less than a Golem. Plus, cruise missiles have no problems hitting cruisers and even destroyers. Of course cruise missiles have far more range than torps, which is also better for most missions.

Like all Marauders, the Golem has a low sensor strength, so it is more easily jammed by Guristas.

Tau hit the major points why I like the CNR better.

A side note for Bugsy:
Faction wars have crushed the value of CNR's down recently. They are very affordable, but more important for you, they are a bad value for your LP at the moment. You're better off to just buy one, and use LP for balistic controls, ammo, or something else.

I have been buying CN hardeners and Ballistic Controls, Star base charters, Ammo, Skill books, and implants. That is why I have not got a CNR yet. You are right I should just buy one.

I already have all the skills to fly a Golem. I have marauders 4, Core competency elite certificate, Full T2 missile skills with trop and cruise missile specialty to 4. Missile suport skills to 4 with a few to 5.(over 40 mil skill points on both my mission running toons) A number of faction mods(most Caladri Navy mods) I use on my mission ships.

I have been considering buying a CNR, I guess i better do it while the price is low. I just felt I might be better off going straight into a Golem. But if the CNR actually puts out more applied DPS than the Golem, I really hate torp boats, I will seriously consider going that route. I did not realize the CNR bonuses equaled out to 9.33 launchers while the Golem effectively has 8. Would this not also work the other way, if you made a trop boat from a CNR? Rate of fire bonus should still make it better as a torp boat than the Golem. But the Golem should have more range for torps that the CNR.

I get the issue with defender missiles but even losing a missile to defenders you are still left with the effective damage of 6 launchers, equal to a normal raven. I do however see the advantages of a CNR now. I guess I will get both and see for myself which I like better. Might as well buy a CNR before the price goes up, now that faction wars farming has gotten such a nerf. At least for the underdogs.