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SP and age doesn't matter, yes newbies, you too can PVP like a pro.

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Rong Targets
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-10-20 06:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Rong Targets
I am so sick of hearing from people that you cannot get far in this game becaues it is too late to start, to prove this wrong I created a new char and throw myself at a hardcore pvp corp, in 2 days, I had 48 kills 15 losses, Total Isk Damage done: 0.85 Billion, Total Isk Lost: 0.01 Billion, Pilot efficiency of over 98.51%. Granted I was never the top damage dealer in those battles, but I did make big difference by contributing by tackling the enemy, baiting, meat sheild etc... In the end I had fun.

http://redfed.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=985469

This just proves even a 3 day noob with less than 150k skillpoint can do this much damage and so can you. If you are worry about the isk, just want to let you know, the rifter I am flying fully fitted with Platium insurance will come down to less than 350k loss for each ship (jita price).
Zillam Reynardine
Stargazer Holdings
#2 - 2011-10-20 06:49:36 UTC
Thing a lot of people who have never played EVE, or are new to EVE, don't realize is that there's a hardcap on skills. As in, there comes a point in time where you can no longer train a skill because you have maxed out that skill.

Turns out, this hardcap doesn't take all that long to reach.

After that, it's all about player skill, not character skill.
Aston Bradley
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-20 07:25:51 UTC
Rong Targets wrote:
I am so sick of hearing from people that you cannot get far in this game becaues it is too late to start, to prove this wrong I created a new char and throw myself at a hardcore pvp corp, in 2 days, I had 48 kills 15 losses, Total Isk Damage done: 0.85 Billion, Total Isk Lost: 0.01 Billion, Pilot efficiency of over 98.51%. Granted I was never the top damage dealer in those battles, but I did make big difference by contributing by tackling the enemy, baiting, meat sheild etc... In the end I had fun.

http://redfed.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=985469

This just proves even a 3 day noob with less than 150k skillpoint can do this much damage and so can you. If you are worry about the isk, just want to let you know, the rifter I am flying fully fitted with Platium insurance will come down to less than 350k loss for each ship (jita price).



True, but do keep in mind that many don't want to be tacklers. Yes they are crucial and every fleet needs them. But you are preatty much forced into that role untill you can fly a BC a BS or a Ewar boat. You are right about the fact that you can go right into the acion and be very usefull, but if one as no interest in being a tackler, that does mean waiting 2-3 months.

That being said, you do have a point. SP and age do not stop you to do something ion space and make a difference.

[i]FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again![/i]
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2011-10-20 08:33:40 UTC
Rong Targets, impressive record. Smile I agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly. I personally ventured out to 0.0 after maybe two or three weeks in the game, and did nothing but tackling for the next few months. I died a lot (and I mean A LOT) but I gained a lot of valuable experience -- and an immense amount of fun -- in the process.

Can't help but link an old Goonswarm recruitment poster.

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#5 - 2011-10-20 08:56:22 UTC
Rong Targets wrote:
I am so sick of hearing from people that you cannot get far in this game becaues it is too late to start, to prove this wrong I created a new char and throw myself at a hardcore pvp corp, in 2 days, I had 48 kills 15 losses, Total Isk Damage done: 0.85 Billion, Total Isk Lost: 0.01 Billion, Pilot efficiency of over 98.51%. Granted I was never the top damage dealer in those battles, but I did make big difference by contributing by tackling the enemy, baiting, meat sheild etc... In the end I had fun.

http://redfed.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=985469

This just proves even a 3 day noob with less than 150k skillpoint can do this much damage and so can you. If you are worry about the isk, just want to let you know, the rifter I am flying fully fitted with Platium insurance will come down to less than 350k loss for each ship (jita price).

Yes if you have a lot of friends you may get kills as a newbie. isn't that true for every game?
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-20 09:20:14 UTC
Zillam Reynardine wrote:
After that, it's all about player skill, not character skill.

This.
Lukriss
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-20 11:53:37 UTC
Zillam Reynardine wrote:
Thing a lot of people who have never played EVE, or are new to EVE, don't realize is that there's a hardcap on skills. As in, there comes a point in time where you can no longer train a skill because you have maxed out that skill.

Turns out, this hardcap doesn't take all that long to reach.

After that, it's all about player skill, not character skill.


Not to mention, if someone spends 4 months specializing in flying a single ship, you'll be less than 5% behind in overall performance after spending just 1 month specializing in flying that ship.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#8 - 2011-10-20 14:10:05 UTC
Not bad, But I do Perfer to fly Solo xD

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Nixsc
Vampire Kittens
#9 - 2011-10-20 14:23:50 UTC
If you don't mind me asking, what is a tackler?
gfldex
#10 - 2011-10-20 15:10:29 UTC
Nixsc wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, what is a tackler?


A tackler hugs the enemy to hinder him from running away.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Farrina
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-10-20 16:25:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Farrina
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I am so sick of hearing from people that you cannot get far in this game becaues it is too late to start, to prove this wrong I created a new char and throw myself at a hardcore pvp corp, in 2 days, I had 48 kills 15 losses


Is being someone's tacklebitch really "getting far" in the game?

Also, isn't there more to EVE than simple FiS PvP? What about Market PvP?

Quote:
Red FederationRvB - RED Federation


Okay, now make an alt and do the same exact thing, but this time, do it as a true newbie who doesn't know about RvB.

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True, but do keep in mind that many don't want to be tacklers. Yes they are crucial and every fleet needs them. But you are preatty much forced into that role untill you can fly a BC a BS or a Ewar boat. You are right about the fact that you can go right into the acion and be very usefull, but if one as no interest in being a tackler, that does mean waiting 2-3 months.


This.

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That being said, you do have a point. SP and age do not stop you to do something ion space and make a difference.


This is true, however, what difference are you making, and for whom are you making that difference? When you're just a tacklebitch or a meatshield, you're someone else's *****. And all your effort (and ISK in lost ships/modules), is a means towards their end, not your own.

Quote:
Can't help but link an old Goonswarm recruitment poster.


They need every ship they can get to blobwar.
Chibbechubhahaman
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-10-20 16:30:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Chibbechubhahaman
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Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-10-20 16:56:08 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Nixsc wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, what is a tackler?


A tackler hugs the enemy to hinder him from running away.



For a little more information:

A tackler is used to 'get points' on someone, generally by means of a Warm Scrambler or Warp disruptor. Sometimes also covers stasis webifiers.


For this purpose, you normally use a small fast frigate. You're not there to do much damage, just survive while locking down the enemies ability to run
Nixsc
Vampire Kittens
#14 - 2011-10-21 13:15:21 UTC
Jenn Makanen wrote:
gfldex wrote:
Nixsc wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, what is a tackler?


A tackler hugs the enemy to hinder him from running away.



For a little more information:

A tackler is used to 'get points' on someone, generally by means of a Warm Scrambler or Warp disruptor. Sometimes also covers stasis webifiers.


For this purpose, you normally use a small fast frigate. You're not there to do much damage, just survive while locking down the enemies ability to run


Thank you for the info! I did what the OP was talking about and joined RvB to learn more about PVP by doing!
Rong Targets
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-10-21 17:50:44 UTC
Update

100th kill today, 25 losses

1.58 Billion damage done 0.03 Isk loss
Justin Credulent
Luv You Long Time
#16 - 2011-10-21 19:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Credulent
Except you didn't actually kill anyone. You tackled targets while someone else killed them, because at your SP and age you are nothing more than a drone; cannon fodder.

Also, your player experience is skewing the results.

Fail experiment is fail.

Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
Neve Talie-Ko
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-10-21 19:33:57 UTC
As a new member of 16 days, I can say s/he's not doing anything that can't be discovered with a little homework. I've already found the skill progression, EVEMon, EFT, and can follow the conversation without confusion. I might not be as successful as quickly, but I think I can get in there and have fun. I knew about BvR the second day of my trial.
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-21 19:38:12 UTC
It's not fail at all. You can't honestly expect a brand new player to hop in a BC as soon as they can and then not get blown out of the sky?? The point the OP is trying to make is that brand spanking new people can pvp with the pros right off the bat and be good at it. You have to learn to walk before running, and in the world of PVP, tackling is walking. You lose ships, you learn a LOT about orbits, speed, overshooting, enemy tracking, and basically everything else in PVP while tackling. Tackling is probably THE best training that people can get in PVP because those people are usually scouts, meaning they have to learn the onboard scanner, they have to learn how to report intel, the whole nine. If you dont want to be someone's ***** then you should just go play hello kitty online, or start your own corp and run missions for the rest of your life. If the goal is to pvp, the best way to do it is to join a corp that can teach you, and work with them while learning. Simple. Hell, sometimes when I pvp I realize that I'm getting too far from the fundamentals and making stupid mistakes. I get myself a rifter or an interceptor and fly tackle until I "relearn" what I was forgetting.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Justin Credulent
Luv You Long Time
#19 - 2011-10-21 20:45:56 UTC
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The point the OP is trying to make is that brand spanking new people can pvp with the pros right off the bat and be good at it.


The only point that OP has made is that anyone can PvP. And that wasn't a point that was being contested.

The contention is the word "good". All the OP has proven is that the only use for a newbie in PvP is as a tackler. Preventing another ship from warping by using a Warp Scrambler and clicking the "Orbit" button is not "being good" at PvP. I'm sorry, but the premise does not support the conclusion here.

The results are also skewed by:

1) The OP's experience with the game
2) The OP's ability to fund their alt
3) The fact that the alt is in a Alliance who's whole purpose is to engage in (relatively) friendly PvP with another Alliance.

All these factors combined create a highly artificial set of circumstances that would rarely, if ever, exist in reality.

I'm sorry, but this experiment is fail and the OP is a horrible scientist.

Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
Zillam Reynardine
Stargazer Holdings
#20 - 2011-10-22 05:57:00 UTC
Justin Credulent wrote:
1) The OP's experience with the game
2) The OP's ability to fund their alt
3) The fact that the alt is in a Alliance who's whole purpose is to engage in (relatively) friendly PvP with another Alliance.


1) I'll give you this.

2) If you think a PVP character that flies primarily T1 frigs needs to be funded, then I'm sorry - please lrn2ISK.

3) RvB is not some sooper ultra mega wumbo bittervet seekrit. You don't need to be a vet to know about RvB, and you don't need to be a vet to join RvB.
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